Really.  And that whole zoning change thing, advocating declaring a nationwide moratorium on building mosques....that's just being real vocal. 

Were you paying attention DG?  We were talking about the Texas GOP that makes so called "Christian" "values" a part of their platform. 

LOL.  You fade in.  then you fade out. 

Totally deranged.  If you really and truly describe that as peaceful, you're just not compatible with the modern world, DG.  Seriously. 

Like I say:  simple people with simple understandings of things. 

Really DG?  A mosque in NYC, illegal immigrants, and some well known racist tendencies amongst the tea party.  What do they all involve?  Race.  And somehow.....somehow the modern incarnation of the right manages to go bat shit insane over the issue every, single, time and always, always attempts to demonize folks who aren't white.  Always.

Why did that tea party clown quit again? 

LOL.  Is that what they say at your militia meetings? 

Well.  As long as your cousin says so. Listen, again.  You're a simple person.  You don't have the critical thinking skills to negotiate what you hear at a church vs what you see outside of a church.  I get it.  It's sad for you.  But I get it. 

There are those of us, who with a high degree of exposure, have that ability - that nuanced understanding of faith.  Quoting your wingnut cousin---who I'm sure 3 beers from now goes from 'youth christian foundation guy' to "assistant pope' or something, doesn't really help you. 

Because really---and this is the tough part to get your mind around for a jebus wingnut like yourself: 

The catholic faith is best understood by the individual.  You don't have to buy every chapter and verse, you don't have to run out and push political policy in a Catholic direction, and you don't need to wear a tshirt with a depiction of your jeebus wang - you, the practitioner, needs to make up your mind on your own. 

Incidentally, it's the stone agers - those that would fit in better with an evangelical church like yourself - try to excommunicate those with a stronger understanding of the faith than themselves. It's very sad.  

But wait:  So tell us DG:  do you and your assistant pope 'cousin'  believe that Vatican II was part of the liberal agenda?

No DG.  Just no.  The reality is that you're scared.  You're scared of the boogey man muslims giving you the Sheria law - despite the fact that there's no real reason to believe the Cordoba folks are trying, nor to believe that they'd ever succeed.  You're just scared.  That's why the double standards between what you believe Christians should be able to get away with, that's why the total dishonesty on the protest where some black dude gets threatened, and that explains why you're so disconnected from the situation. And that's why every time somebody challenges you, your only recourse is to start babbling about Obama, the MSM, or the "looney left".  Again:  we get it.  You're very simple.  You don't have many intellectual tools to work with.  It's quaint. 

Why not just come out and tell us that you hate Muslims irrationally? 

Elitist/Elitism - the consciousness of being or belonging to an elite group. Elitism/Elitist is the belief or attitude that those individuals who are considered members of the elite -- a select group of people with, intellect, wealth, specialized training or experience, or other distinctive attributes -- are those whose views on a matter are to be taken the most seriously or carry the most weight or those who view their own views as so; whose views and/or actions are most likely to be constructive to society as a whole; or whose extraordinary skills, abilities or wisdom render them especially fit to govern.

I wouldn't insult elitists by calling dan_l one.

You are living in a surreal world.  Try living in the real one and then showing us all the links to where any of these things have been done.  And better yet, how anyone here (or at the LGF rally) is a member of a local zoning board or for that matter congress.

Not when that was raised.  You made that statement independent of the Texas GOP, and in the middle of the Mosque issue.

And I have to ask, is it now illegal to have religious values? (I will make it generic enough so you can hang yourself)

Ok, pull any part of that video (out of context even) and show us the violence.  THERE IS NONE.  Clearly I am not the deranged one.  It is you who thinks that a demonstration - where no property, life, body or soul - is damaged is violent.  We are talking not even a rock (or pebble) thrown!  How many times can you say that about a lefty demonstration?  (Clue - How many thumbs do you have on your left hand)

He did not.  His group was disassociated by the main tea Party Group.  And why was it?  Hmm?  Have you forgotten?  I guess so since you do not know what the hell you are talking about.

No, you are a simpleton though.  The beauty and ugliness of the Catholic Church is its nature not to change with the whims of society.  Indeed, that is what the detractors hate about it, and what those who revere the church love about it.  But it is neither good nor bad.  it simply is.  You want to think it is somehow associated with the Unitarian church.  It is not.  And clearly, while you wish it were, you are clueless as to what it is.

That is your own myopia.  I said what the Church is.  I never said what the world is.  You want it to be something else, but you do not make the rules (indeed, not even the American Catholic Conference of Bishops do that).  I have enough critical thinking skills to recognize what is the secular and non-secular world.  You apparently do not.

You crack me up!  "those of us".  You mean the demented ones?  There is no nuance.  There are thousands of religious sects out there, choose one that fits your "critical thinking".  But you cannot decide WHAT the Church is based upon your own delusions.  Right or wrong, the Church has clearly delineated tenets and teachings.  Your "decision" to change them does not change them, it just moves you out of the faithful.  And the sad part is you cannot even understand that.  You live in a delusional world where what you decide becomes god's law.  And the reality is that only makes you mentally sick, not right.

#1: My "wingnut" cousin is more liberal than you can even imagine being.  but he is not stupid.  He not only has faith, he lives it, but then again, you cannot recognize that or understand it in your delusional world.  The only thing my cousin and I agree on is our faith.  But every time we go to the polls, we cancel each other out.  That He agrees with me on something the rest of Catholics do means you have to (erroneously) label him and degrade him - without ever meeting him.  That says a lot about you, and your mental malady.

But it cannot be changed by each individual.  You can set your faith to what you want, but that does not make you a Catholic.  yet you are too far gone to understand this is reality - not "danality".  In other words, your demented mind does not make the rules for this universe, no matter how much you want it to.

You have to buy every chapter and verse of the tenets.  you do not have to buy every chapter and verse of the opinions.  But then you cannot differentiate the difference, so you think you can doubt every chapter and verse of everything.  No, there is a concept of doubting in and doubting out.  You are definitely the latter.  You can continue to call yourself Catholic, but you are not.

Another stupid statement.  Neither I, nor you nor the Pope can excommunicate ANYONE except YOURSELF.  And that you are doing by doubting out.

Another stupid statement (but then I do repeat myself).  Your ignorance is only surpassed by your mental derangement in still thinking this is your universe.  You took a statement of mine and decided to be stupid about it.  If you want to think my cousin is the pope, that just adds to your delusion.

Show me where I am scared?  I think it is you that shows extreme paranoia and self delusion, and of course phobia of anything you cannot control.  To the point you see violence where there is none (all of us have access to the video so quit being stupid about it), religion where there is none, and self importance where there is none.  Muslims do not scare me, but crazy people like you do.  not that anyone will listen to  you, but that not being able to control your delusional world, you will become violent.  You need to be put on psychiatric care and soon for your own safety and those around you.

Double standards?  please point them out.  I am sure we all here would love to see them.  But you need to point out the real ones in this universe, not the "danality".  For there are no double standards in my writings or beliefs.  I am not babbling about Obama or the MSM here, I am simply pointing out that while the Muslims (please check the statements I have written before you do lie more) have the right to build the mosque, that does not make it right.  And the people do have the right to demonstrate against it.  And threatened?  now you are again backtracking.  A threat can be something as simple as a sneer or an "o, yeah!".  You claimed violence, now you claim just threats.  You are backtracking.  because you lied.  I am very sorry to say it, but you are a liar.

The man was never in real danger as the video proves.  But those around you are in very real danger from you.  Should you ever see them threaten your delusions, I fear for their safety.

You are a sad pathetic man who cannot differentiate reality from delusion. 

No, but he is right about one thing (partially).  I am scared - of him and what he will do to those around him.  You can see how rabid he gets when his delusional world is threatened.  I wish I could say that he is a rational person, but it is clear that he is dangerously deranged.  The unfortunate part is that many on the left are just like him.  For as we saw in the video, the right can demonstrate peacefully, the left seems to have trouble doing that because they cannot differentiate between disagreement and violence.

Yes. It's the same story that has been revealing itself ever since Mohammadanism (Islam) arose in in the early part of the seventh century and began conquering its enemies. 

If you study Islam's history, its progress and stages, as well as its nature, you'll find that Islam has kept its battle against Christendom and its culture. In those early 7th, 8th and 9th centuries what is known as Asia today was overthrown by this very simple, personal form of government, sanctified by false religion, and ruling with a power theoretically absolute from one center.  

North Africa is proof that once Islam captures a land and its people, it begins to absorb its culture replacing it with its own.

And this part of Islam's nature has never changed nor will ever change. Islam regards with contempt every other culture, especially Christianity, except its own.

Hey TPP, found this concerning "superiority complex" the whole article is quite funny. Like most things funny there is some truths to it. Here's an except (with my bold type inserted) http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Superiority_Complex

"Superiority Complex (or SC as it is often referred to) is officially a disorder found both in Man as well as in other forms of life. It rises so far above all other disorders however that it should properly be referred to as a superorder. SC can be a difficult disorder to deal with, but luckily those of us affected by it are generally much better than others would be at managing. Sometimes, these feelings can go as far as to cause those affected to act as if they are on a golden pedestal, and everyone else is peasant scum. In many cases this is true, but if anything this makes it all the more irritating for those around us them. Many sufferers simply cannot control their own boasting, and may suffer chronic migraines due to their incredibly swollen heads. And this isn't a metaphor, their brains are often so big their heads are literally swollen up to fit it all in. Poor uplifted souls."

Sound like anyone frequenting these forums to you?

You are making huge assumptions about me here. I'm not a religious person.  I decided a long, long time ago that it wasn't for me, so I decided, instead of being angry and bitter, to just quit going to church.  You obviously have a huge beef with Christianity, and I just don't have that beef. I  can look at it more objectively than you. I never apologized for what any Christians did, I asserted (quite correctly) that Christianity and Sharia are different. I never said "all Christians are good people."  We're talking about what specific religions preach to their followers. My judgement here is not based on my love of Christians (as yours is based on a hatred of them), it's based on the fact that when a Christian commits a murder he does so against his religion, and when a Muslim living by Sharia commits an "honor killing," he does so according to his religion.  It is not the same thing. If you want to argue that there are a lot of hypocritical Christians out there, then I will agree with you.  But that's a different discussion. The Christian religion quite specifically states "Thou shalt not kill." Sharia... well... doesn't. And you don't actually believe your own argument yourself, that's the funny thing. You bash Christians and "Jebus" all day long, and you feel perfectly safe doing so. Because you know nobody will kill you for it. Go to Saudi Arabia and bash Muhammed like that. If, like you say, Christianity and Sharia are the exact same thing, then you will have nothing to worry about.

And if you go back and look, you'll see I never said a word about the mosque. I only entered this conversation when you asked what the difference was between Christianity and Sharia. My thoughts on the mosque are pretty much the same as yours--it's in bad taste, but it's all legal, so there it is.

I consider it an affront to my freedom when a bunch of morons wearing buttless chaps and rainbow wigs are blocking traffic and screaming about how I have to think of them as normal. I'm not going to play your "you're either with us or against us" game. You see this major defining moment in civil rights history, but all I see is a bunch of children screaming "I'm right and you're wrong!"--"No, I'm right and you're wrong!"

Lula, WOW, I've never Previously read comments on a JU article that refereed so much to a blogger that wasn't even actively making comments in the particular thread! Congratulations! You must have gotten under someones skin so badly, that you occupy their thoughts enough for an" honorable mention" in their writings. You are making an impact, it doesn't matter if they believe it's good or bad, as they care enough to mention you by name. 

Yeah, North Africa is sparse, but the religious angle is quite clear in the Sudan and Somalia. Do you here the clamoring for tolerance from the Islamic aggressors from the likes of any pro-mosque, "it's-all-about-hate"and lack of tolerance crowd here? No? Listen... chrip... chirp. The left tolerates assimilation until it is there turn, then they tend cry for help. It's not about religion, they despise all religions, perhaps some more than others. It's about control, and division is just a tool for a means to an end. Of course when they get their wish in the US, nobody will be left in the world that cares to help. But, then we can discuss this further while waiting in the bread line at the state bakery, as long as nobody overhears us and reports us for "anti-social behavior" against the state. It's all good till your off to the gulag, LOL.

My opinion, don't blow a gasket lefties.

Humbordt... there is no place for rationality for some. Either you are 100% with them (and shouting it out loud) or you are against them. There can be no middle ground, to except such would be to allow "potential" future disagreement. You are just not as enlightened as they are, and if they can't convince you of that and make you see your evil ways, they must marginalize you, by whatever means. The methods used are often the characterizations they imply others of exhibiting (hate, intolerance, lack of understanding). Read (or even watch the movie) Doctor Zhivago, it's a good insight into what goes around comes around. And I do believe, most of these people would hate living in the world they are so eager to create.

Oh, she busted him up bad!  He was blithering worse on that thread than he is here.  I guess he is still trying to get back at her for shaming him so badly, but instead he is just repeating his mistakes from there.  As Humbordt says, it is he that is trying to pit anyone against everyone.  He is definitely borderline criminally insane.

I guess when he got tired of being beaten up by you, he decided to lash out at everyone else, looking for an easy target to bully to assuage his beat down you gave him.  Sadly, he has learned nothing.

I understand what your saying DG, one just has to read to do that. However my comment, you quoted, above was strictly for Lula's consumption and secondly anyone so inclined to read it and understand it was for Lula (I believe you fall into this category) as an observation from my point of view. Anyone offended can, well just be offended, as I didn't call anyone out by name, and certainly provided no content that isn't visible on this thread available to all readers.

I know on occasion I have a difference of opinion with Lula, but she has never disparaged me for my beliefs and she argues her position pretty well (of course you don't see me hanging out on the religious threads, I'm here because this is not a religious issue in my opinion). I hardly would consider her an easy target. I believe some here think it is easy to attack someones belief system. Yet they don't realize when they do they are exposing their own little by little. and it doesn't even have to be religious. Luckily for, for the most part, the regulars here are relatively non-aggressive (until provoked) and don't use that knowledge to ridicule every chance they get.

The purpose is to debate, or at least provide enough insight to question the status quo, or even build a consensus . The funny thing is I don't see a single position changing from the first comments by all concerned parties. I'm not bothered if someone disagrees with my position, just so it doesn't devolve, I can (and did) go there if so inclined, but that's not my nature. I am amused when one argues the rights of some in one breath and labels and demeans others in another breath. At least do it in a separate article, for those with poor memories. I'll try to remember some are still developing their worldview, often through a narrow or selective view. I actually enjoy hearing opposing views, some just do it better than others.

And besides I told Jafo I'd play nice!

Sorry I "intruded".  For the record, the thread they got tangled up in (that precipitated his jihad against her) was about Phyllis Schlaffly.  I enjoyed seeing her basically do a "rope-a-dope" on him.

Well, we must keep Jafo happy.

No need for that, read the second half of that sentance. It would only apply to anyone that didn't care for what I had to say to Lula and I know you understood and were not offended by my comment as such. It just doesn't sound as intended in my comment. 

I know. Am I really hoping to convince everybody's favorite anger-issues guy of anything? No. But it's a fun little distraction. It's been slow at work.

And Dan, when I call you an anger-issues guy, I mean it the nicest possible way.