lulz.  It's like a Dan Brown article!  "Help solve the mystery of the mysterious floors of evil Muslim mosque and the shadowy organizations that inhabit them". 

I notice you can't refute the info.

ID, you're forgetting something!  One of the most beloved people is investigate this......well sort of......

She is going to find out who is behind the financing of..................................................the anti-ground zero mosque.

Its a good thing that Nancy Pelosi is around for who else would be doing this and pushing the media to found out who is truly behind this 'racist' 'bigot' group.  It can't be families of those who lost loved ones in 9-11.  It's only 2 blocks away!!!

I don't understand how hard its to understand the reason to find out who is financing the Mosque. There is a Mosque like only three or four blocks away from this proposed mosque.  Heck, why don't they just get the Bin Laden group (Not Usama, the other part of his family is still in construction and this is where they made most of their money) to construct it as well.

yea, I saw that Reichs Marshall Pelosi was afraid that free speech was again poking its head above the cesspool she had confined it to. 

if nothing else, a republican victory in November will banish her back to the dungeons of Mordor from whence she sprang.

As For ID's article: Who cares?  What they do behind their doors will be done whether it is on 2nd street or in the Bronx. 

Refute?  I just don't care. 

I 'get' the reality here:  The mosque - at the very least - is in poor taste, but there isn't anything anybody do about it.  Most people, at least those who have managed a C in their high school civics class, understand that there's nothing you can do about it. 

That sort of situation, in which the irrational types can't compete with what's rational - often results in such conspiracy nonsense---like these clowns who would love for you to believe that Al Quaada is getting offices in downtown NYC.

But look, we already have plenty of nuts looking to enforce their religious values on the rest of the country.

yea, Sharia law is a bitch, aint it.

The second PDF is full of the sort of events that you would expect a community centre to run 

That website seems to base a lot of its evidence on its own guesswork about the size of the building and makes up what it thinks will be in there.  At what point does any of it say that the USA should enforce Sharia law?

The Sharia project is what they are working on.  As I said before, there are too many unknowns here, and obviously we can't trust the media to find out.

Follow the money.  

I wouldn't go that far. All it would take is a change in the zoning of that area and the Mosque is no more so you can't say nothing can be done. You seem to jump to different sides of things depending on your opinion. When Obama became President everyone seemed back then to have the power to change things, now all of a sudden you seem to think they don't. How is it that people like you can so carelessly have 2 points of views on the same thing and push one or the other at any time depending on your own agenda?

If some States can protect illegals (considering the name itself describes a person who broke a law) without getting sued, other states can get sued because they are enforcing existing laws, we can be foreced to buy something or be fined for not doing so (Healthcare), we can have our taxes raised even after a promise that it would never happen, etc; what makes you think such a concept as Shariah Law would not be, to a certain extent, be accepted over here since we are trying to form better relationships with Muslims, we claim to respect other religions, we claim freedom of religion and more than anything this Gov't refuses to use terms that describe terrorist and such just to avoid angering the Muslim community? Seems to me that with all the slack we keep cutting to Muslims with the people in NASA being asked to focus on forming relationships with Muslims as if that is has anything to do with sending rockets to space and stuff, I wouldn't be surprised we allow Muslims to get away with such religious laws, after all, aren't some airports putting foot baths for Muslims? Aren't they already allowed to take time off during work or school to pray the what ever many times they do?

What the hell does that diatribe have to do with the point?  Your point appears to be 'well somebody who is kind of like these people in some way might at some point do something completely different to what these people are trying to do at this point'.

Where is the evidence that these people are trying to get the USA to have sharia law?  The sharia law, from what is linked in the documents, is a monitering project not an advocacy project. 

They are trying to extend their project designed to STOP conflict between the various bronze age creation myths

sorry I meant 'The sharia project, from what.....'

This monstrosity will not be erected.

I find it amusing in a way. People that wouldn't piss on a Christian or Jew that was on fire, because it would go against their non or anti-religious beliefs, seem to be queuing up in support of Islam. Is it the school yard crowd mentality (you know the ones that yell fight, fight)? Is it the perception that any enemy of my enemy is my friend? Or is it the perception that religious people are conservative, so normally non-religious liberals or progressives (some not all) just see it as a means to swipe at their opponents? I've noticed this on many news sites and blogs in the comments. I do hope this brew-ha is over by Christmas so they can go back to protesting nativity scenes and the like.

Can it be built? Yes. Should it be built there? No, it's poor taste. It's that simple, no politics necessary.

Right.  And certainly don't forget the 'family values' types who believe their their god should be setting the rules down here. 

And we'll grandfather in the OTB and the strip joint?  Or what?  Kick'em out? 

I've only rendered one opinion:  It's in terrible taste, but not much that can be done about it.  Incidentally:  stupidest statement ever.  Of course I argue my opinion.   

What are you talking about?  I've never said any of that.  I've said on at least one occasion that there were 3 reasons I nodded Obama: 

1.  Selfish:  he's a hometown guy and around here, we tend to take care. 

2.  He's a sox fan (He really is, but this wasn't one of the reasons - I just say it because it pisses wingers off)

3.  His opposition with a 5000 year old man from Arizona and a vice president from.....Alaska. 

How is it that people like you can project perceptions?  I haven't had 2 points of view. 

You'd have to define 'a certain extent'. 

Obviously, take your extremes out of the discussion and assume whatever degree would ever rear it's obnoxious head would be watered down.  At it's high point, I'd imagine you're talking something like one of the suburbs over here that has an extremely large population of orthodox jewish folks.  By orthodox, I mean little o not big O (although it could be big O, I have no idea)  They largely maintain their customs, dress, etc. just based on being a majority in that area.  Anybody can live there, but hope you like shopping kosher.  That's of course internal enforcement of their beliefs and assuming those beliefs are reasonable---w/ev. 

The other side of that---a more temperate flavor would be what Christian fundamentalists do, in that they create squawkbox organizations and try to drum up support to make their beliefs law.  When they start to lose or evolve enough, they'll do just like the fundies and cook up psuedo science.    I would assume that whatever talking points they cook up on the agreeable issues would ultimately match what the Christians would be saying. 

And so what?  They're going to lose anyway. But that's just it:  they're just religious kooks.  They're either the benign keep-to-themselves kind in the former or the pain in the ass kind in the latter.  and we already have both. 

Although, admittedly I do occasionally surf through the news from places with large muslim populations to see if any of that (the latter) shit is starting.  There's a poor suburb near Chicago and sometimes when we go to visit I'll read the news out of Dearborn. 

Charles' comment makes me wonder whether there's an actual push amongst real life new yorkers to push for a zoning change.  I know both sides have dancing bears at this point - msnbc had the former SG who's wife was killed in 9/11 and he supports it, and fox ran some clown over the weekend who was a rescue worker and is against it. 

But I'd be curious to see what the actual beliefs of New Yorkers are.