I find this to be an interesting story, and from the beginning I knew there was something else going on aside from just a so-called community center going in near ground zero.

Link

Follow the Shariah Index Project to solve the puzzle of the 6 mystery floors: We found two hidden websites with  copiously deleted information, all about the Imam’s Cordoba Institute Shariah Index Project.  For reference, here’s the Imam’s most recent hidden website (also available here as a pdf).  And here’s the Imam’s earlierhidden website (also available here as a pdf).  The information on those websites – information that the Imam tried to hide with a new whitewashed version – suggests that the six mystery floors of the Ground Zero Mosque will be dedicated to the Imam’s long-term goal: the Shariah Index Project, designed to benchmark Shariah compliance, to distribute Shariah propaganda, and to enforce Shariah law in America and worldwide.

Drawing from those hidden webpages and other sites, we’ve constructed a timeline for the Shariah Index Project and a partial list of Rauf’s partners in the Project.  In Part 2, we’ll reveal the disturbing background and views of those partners.  And in Part 3, we’ll present the bottom line – how this all ties together as a historic Islamist effort to market and to enforce Shariah in America, starting from Ground Zero.

As usual we have to rely on bloggers to investigate.  The mainstream media is too busy labeling everyone has racists to help support their democrat allies.


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on Aug 19, 2010

Right. And certainly don't forget the 'family values' types who believe their their god should be setting the rules down here.

Muslims - yea, they do have some nasty laws they seem to want to impose (and have in some cases - NJ domestic abuse???)

All it would take is a change in the zoning of that area and the Mosque is no more so you can't say nothing can be done.

And we'll grandfather in the OTB and the strip joint? Or what? Kick'em out?

Have you actually seen zoning laws?  In NJ (I do not know about NY, but figure it is just as easy), they have zoning that allows strip joints, but not churches!  Zoning laws can be as rational or irrational as the governing board wants them to be.

 

on Aug 19, 2010

Charles' comment makes me wonder whether there's an actual push amongst real life new yorkers to push for a zoning change.  I know both sides have dancing bears at this point - msnbc had the former SG who's wife was killed in 9/11 and he supports it, and fox ran some clown over the weekend who was a rescue worker and is against it. 

 

But I'd be curious to see what the actual beliefs of New Yorkers are. 

I would say that the ad being run by the victims and families - all New Yorkers - indicates that there is a lot of opposition to it locally.  That plus the fact the whole brouhaha was started by a local person.  Contrary to what they Wicked Witch of the West would like to think, this is not an organized opposition.  it is a demonstration of America's first amendment rights.

on Aug 19, 2010

Basmas
Where is the evidence that these people are trying to get the USA to have sharia law?  

A picture (or video) is worth a 1000 words. You may not like the site, but then no one has complained about the video being photo-shopped or dubbed.

on Aug 19, 2010

The developers behind the Islamic center planned for a site near Ground Zero won't rule out accepting financing from the Mideast -- including from Saudi Arabia and Iran -- as they begin searching for $100 million needed to build the project.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/Politics/islamic-center-backers-rule-taking-funds-saudi-arabia/story?id=11429998

Yeah....

on Aug 19, 2010

Muslims - yea, they do have some nasty laws they seem to want to impose (and have in some cases - NJ domestic abuse???)

Right.  And don't forget 'family values' champion, literally a Lula hero, and Eagle Forum founder who believes that if a husband sexually assaults his wife, "it's not rape".  There is consent by virtue of being married. 

But really:  keep your head in the sand on that one.  There's absolutely no similarities between the two.  Sure they both believe in imaginary men and think the government should be run on their ancient rule systems - but nop---nothing to see here. 

 

I would say that the ad being run by the victims and families - all New Yorkers - indicates that there is a lot of opposition to it locally.

Like I say:  both sides have dancing bears at this point. For every 'victim's family' that you have saying no, you've got one that says "it's ok".  I'd like to know whether they're actually is an charged opinion one way or the other on this in NYC.   

 

 

 

on Aug 19, 2010


Muslims - yea, they do have some nasty laws they seem to want to impose (and have in some cases - NJ domestic abuse???)
Right.  And don't forget 'family values' champion, literally a Lula hero, and Eagle Forum founder who believes that if a husband sexually assaults his wife, "it's not rape".  There is consent by virtue of being married. 
 

Are you referring to Lula, who posts on here?

on Aug 19, 2010

Right. And don't forget 'family values' champion, literally a Lula hero, and Eagle Forum founder who believes that if a husband sexually assaults his wife, "it's not rape". There is consent by virtue of being married.

She is not Muslim.  Nor am I Lula.  You have a gender ID issue along with ADD (this is not your blog nor is the subject Phyllis Schlaffly - your worst nightmare)

Like I say: both sides have dancing bears at this point. For every 'victim's family' that you have saying no, you've got one that says "it's ok". I'd like to know whether they're actually is an charged opinion one way or the other on this in NYC.

Link to it.  I see no link, so I think you are just blowing smoke.  Clearly the national polls do  not reflect the NY Polls since they are a separate country, right?  As you said, keep your head in the sand.  Or more appropriately, keep your fingers in your ears and keep yelling lalalalalalalala

on Aug 20, 2010

Are you referring to Lula, who posts on here?

Indeed I am. 

 

She is not Muslim. She is not Muslim.  Nor am I Lula.  You have a gender ID issue along with ADD (this is not your blog nor is the subject Phyllis Schlaffly - your worst nightmare)

I'm just pointing out the absurdity of you beefing with muslim folks for advocating quite a bit of the same your beloved christians do. You were the one who brought up domestic abuse.  I was just pointing that there are conservatives like Lula who support those who believe as bad and worse. 

 

Link to it. I see no link, so I think you are just blowing smoke.

Link to what? The 'dancing bears'? 

Here's Ted Olson, former solicitor general, who's wife was killed in 9/11:

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/08/911-widower-ted-olson-obama-was-right-on-cordoba-house.php

Here's some dancing bears from the other side:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&tbs=nws%3A1&q=9%2F11+survivor+cordoba&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

 

Clearly the national polls do not reflect the NY Polls since they are a separate country, right?

Well, that's kind of my question.  Let me be more explicit for you: 

I assume, with the national prominence that this issue has become clouded by....you know...gap toothed hill billies.  I wonder if there is actually enough give-a-shit to actually do something about it at the local level. And, given the inevitable accuracy of my initial assumption, as a matter of fact, there's a clarion example of such right now - it might as well be a different country.

 

 

 

 

on Aug 20, 2010

Of course re-zoning would force the four churches and one synagogue that are within two blocks of ground zero to move as well!

I've listened to the video and the only quote says from the guy in questions says nothing about the US, in fact the commentator talks about Sharia law, in the same way as in Britain which kind of throws his views into question. He also says there are no prominent peaceful Muslims at all

There is nothing about imposing shaira law - and don't forget that there as many version of sharia law as there are interpretations of the Christian bible. 

There is nothing about trying to convince the US to have sharia law

Even if (and please note this is a hypothetical situation) he got the laws of the US changed via democratic means isn't democracy in action?

 

on Aug 20, 2010


Are you referring to Lula, who posts on here?
Indeed I am. 

 

You really beat up on people that aren't even present to defend themselves.  You done this several times you bring up a persons name that posts here who is not even involved in the conversation (it doesn't further the discussion any, either. It would be like me saying something about Big Fat Daddy or Mason if I had a beef with either of them as well.  Which I don't).  Seems like the only reason to do this is just to punch them in the face.

 

there are interpretations of the Christian bible.
  English is a terrible language to translate anything in, for the most part it is a functional language.  College graduates use about 20,000 words at most.  The English language has about ~350,000 words.  An educated person uses less than 10% of the English language.   The multiple translations of the Bible say the same thing but use different synonyms for words.

Actually, if you look at the Hadiths, it gives a pretty clear picture of Shai'ra law is.   Most Muslims countries have the same principle laws in some of the finer details there are little tweak differences.

on Aug 20, 2010

I'm just pointing out the absurdity of you beefing with muslim folks for advocating quite a bit of the same your beloved christians do. You were the one who brought up domestic abuse. I was just pointing that there are conservatives like Lula who support those who believe as bad and worse.

No, you did in the quote I commented on.  You do indeed have ADD.  For I was not beefing with muslim folks anywhere on this blog.  I am "beefing" with Sharia law.  But then I do not expect you to understand the difference.

Here's Ted Olson, former solicitor general, who's wife was killed in 9/11:

You start out demanding to know the new Yorkers that are in opposition, then use a non-New Yorker?  Please, stop waffling so bad!  We were (based upon YOUR demand) talking about new Yorkers, not Virginians.

I assume, with the national prominence that this issue has become clouded by....you know...gap toothed hill billies.

I can see you are a poster child for Obama and liberals.  Of course no one can have an honest disagreement, they have to be parodied and spat upon by the Illiterate Literati such as yourself.

You have explained yourself very well.  Unfortunately the ugliness of the picture does tend to cloud the worthlessness of the words.

on Aug 20, 2010

Basmas
Of course re-zoning would force the four churches and one synagogue that are within two blocks of ground zero to move as well!

Here is why I do not advocate (and really hate) the arbitrary nature of zoning.  No it would not.  3 reasons why not.  They can be designated historical structures (thus getting them an exemption), they can be grandfathered in, or the zoning can be very specific (that part I hate) to the site of the proposed mosque.

Basmas
There is nothing about trying to convince the US to have sharia law

Even if (and please note this is a hypothetical situation) he got the laws of the US changed via democratic means isn't democracy in action?

1. The question was not about convincing, but imposition (that is not a peaceful means).  The view that all must live under Sharia law is held by a significant number of Muslims.  And the imam in question is one of them.

2. They do not talk about change via democrat means, but by imposition of religious law.  But let's for a moment play the pretend game.  Unfortunately, Sharia law is in direct violation of the constitution of the US.  So even if you get 50% + 1 to vote for it, it is not legal.  The Constitution trumps ordinary laws.

on Aug 20, 2010



Basmasreply 24Of course re-zoning would force the four churches and one synagogue that are within two blocks of ground zero to move as well!
Here is why I do not advocate (and really hate) the arbitrary nature of zoning.  No it would not.  3 reasons why not.  They can be designated historical structures (thus getting them an exemption), they can be grandfathered in, or the zoning can be very specific (that part I hate) to the site of the proposed mosque.
Basmasreply 24There is nothing about trying to convince the US to have sharia lawEven if (and please note this is a hypothetical situation) he got the laws of the US changed via democratic means isn't democracy in action?
1. The question was not about convincing, but imposition (that is not a peaceful means).  The view that all must live under Sharia law is held by a significant number of Muslims.  And the imam in question is one of them.
2. They do not talk about change via democrat means, but by imposition of religious law.  But let's for a moment play the pretend game.  Unfortunately, Sharia law is in direct violation of the constitution of the US.  So even if you get 50% + 1 to vote for it, it is not legal.  The Constitution trumps ordinary laws.

I doubt they would get away with that sort of re-zoning - it would be a direct attempt for the government to remove the ability for one reglion and one religon alone to have a place of worship in a particular area.  Any decent lawyer should be able to fight that one under the 1st.

They could get Sharia law in - they would just have to change the constitution first.  There is not way, short of an invasion, that they could impose sharia law on anybody.

on Aug 20, 2010

They could get Sharia law in - they would just have to change the constitution first. There is not way, short of an invasion, that they could impose sharia law on anybody.

Excellent point Basmas. However, it reminds me of the illegal immigrant issue. We didn't hear about that much until the late 70's early 80's. Now the illegals are a large enough group that laws are ignored and some politicians bend over backward to accommodate them. Hindsight is 20/20, but we have plenty of examples of how "change" is brought about in history. I'm sure folks scoffed at the need to protect the boarder at one time, and thought any supporters were paranoid, intolerant, or racist. Different issues sure, but something to think about.

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