I find this to be an interesting story, and from the beginning I knew there was something else going on aside from just a so-called community center going in near ground zero.

Link

Follow the Shariah Index Project to solve the puzzle of the 6 mystery floors: We found two hidden websites with  copiously deleted information, all about the Imam’s Cordoba Institute Shariah Index Project.  For reference, here’s the Imam’s most recent hidden website (also available here as a pdf).  And here’s the Imam’s earlierhidden website (also available here as a pdf).  The information on those websites – information that the Imam tried to hide with a new whitewashed version – suggests that the six mystery floors of the Ground Zero Mosque will be dedicated to the Imam’s long-term goal: the Shariah Index Project, designed to benchmark Shariah compliance, to distribute Shariah propaganda, and to enforce Shariah law in America and worldwide.

Drawing from those hidden webpages and other sites, we’ve constructed a timeline for the Shariah Index Project and a partial list of Rauf’s partners in the Project.  In Part 2, we’ll reveal the disturbing background and views of those partners.  And in Part 3, we’ll present the bottom line – how this all ties together as a historic Islamist effort to market and to enforce Shariah in America, starting from Ground Zero.

As usual we have to rely on bloggers to investigate.  The mainstream media is too busy labeling everyone has racists to help support their democrat allies.


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on Aug 21, 2010

Again. No degree is acceptable.

And I agree--in fact, I said almost exactly that myself.  But where is murder more prevalent? And by "more," I mean "way, way, way more."

And Tiller's murderer had to break the law in order to kill him.  With Sharia, people get stoned according to the law.  That's a big difference.

on Aug 21, 2010

So when they say this:



"Homosexual behavior is contrary to the fundamental, unchanging truths that have beenordained by God, recognized by our country's founders, and shared by the majority of Texans."



They're not actually talking about Christian values that they're trying to make into law right? How do you explain that then?

Hate to be redundant, but the Texas GOP is not a religious sect.  And it's platform positions can be freely rejected by 'non-believers' at no risk to their well-being (I feel pretty safe rejecting their stand on homosexuality & sodomy & recognizing it for what it is - posturing).

If, on the other hand, there was only one 'political party' and it was the 'Evangelical Christian Party' and it had 100% authority over all secular & legal matters, including the unquestionable authority to seize assets, maim or kill based purely on religious doctrine...

on Aug 21, 2010

And Tiller's murderer had to break the law in order to kill him.

You'd think that distinction would be obvious.  Isn't to many, unfortunately.  (And, just to be clear, we know flying planes into the WTC was not 'legal' - but it was under sharia).

on Aug 21, 2010

And it's platform positions can be freely rejected by 'non-believers' at no risk to their well-being

Bingo.

on Aug 21, 2010

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/36995_Fundamentalist_Indoctrination-_Mandatory_in_the_US_Army

Hard to believe that could happen under our current CIC, isn't it?

Among many things, it's balls-to-the-wall stupid.  If what is alleged actually happened (no reason to doubt it so far) there's something seriously wrong in the Army.

But that still has nothing to do with the topic.  Not even the Army is a religious sect.

on Aug 21, 2010

Hmmm.

You're actually making my point for me.  Yes, that was way out of line.  But they weren't stoned to death, were they?

on Aug 21, 2010

Link Seems to fit here.

on Aug 21, 2010

Daiwa I must have a similar understanding (correct or incorrectly) of Sharia as you. Your comment was well said. As you mention about Sharia Law being incompatible with the secular society of the US, I must refer back to my comment (lucky #13)... Why the sudden outpouring support from the normally skittish left (on terms of religion and secularism) for Islam?

I'm not speaking of the folks that support it for legal reasons, but those that are deliberately making this about religion. In this case the dreaded Islamaphobia. What is the end game? Why the support (indirectly) of a set of laws that are in direct conflict with our constitution? I believe the rat Pelosi smells is emanating from her own tail.

Show me evidence that they are trying to impose Sharia law in the US. If(!) you can then show me why other groups that attempt to have the laws in the USA changed are not subject to this kind of attack.

Then I will believe it is not about religion

Gotta love you guys. Show me were I said they (the mosque people) were attempting to impose Sharia law? Should be simple enough the quotes are right here. As for Daiwa, I believe he was making a statement about Sharia Law not being compliant with US law. His reference that can be construed to mean Islam is being IMPOSED, states nothing of it being done in the US, but it is being done elsewhere in the world.

Now I have no way of knowing what is in the heart of Muslims, or any other group, in the US (after all I'm not a liberal, with their subliminal powers). I have to take the word of those that do know.

Here is an interview with PBS with Inman Feisal Abdul Rauf (the cultral center guy) first paragraph (in bold is the interviewer, other bold done by me http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/muslims/interviews/feisal.html

"My understanding of [the Sharia] rules about punishment for matrimonial infidelity [is that] you have to have four eyewitnesses, or several eyewitnesses to the [act] in order to demand the death penalty. It's almost inconceivable to me that you could ever produce that kind of eyewitness or evidence. But we hear that these kinds of punishments are meted out fairly regularly. Is the law being followed the way it's set [out]?

You cannot judge a whole body of law by one instance of criminal law. When people think about Sharia law, they often think about the penalties for certain crimes. They don't think about the sum total of Islamic law and its jurisprudence, which means the underlying structure and philosophy and understanding of how you arrive at what we call the Islamically correct decision. You do not define Sharia law by just a couple of penalties."

So I take this as "please don't judge our religion's laws by the ones were we stone or disrespect women, We're really, really nice and the women like it too". Now I know Bible and Koran quotes have been flying back and forth. Maybe someone here can tell me which religion most recently carried out a terrible act, remotely linked to their corresponding book, with support of the government of the particular country it occurred in? Never mind.

He goes on to say:

There is also a collective subliminal ambition that Muslims have, that at a collective level, they also embody the ideals of the community that the prophet developed in Medina. So when Muslims today speak of the attempt to establish an Islamic state, what they are really saying is that they would like to have a community that lives in accordance with the ideals, the relationships, the social contract, which the prophet had developed in Medina with his companions and how they had this amongst each other.

Hum, I wonder what the "Prophet developed in Medina"? Collective subliminal ambition? That explains a lot... they ARE liberals. Now I get the bond completely!

The Inman doesn't seem to have an isolated opinion, there are other more nefarious voices.

This from a 2009 article (http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-baltimore/national-day-of-prayer-to-islam-sept-25-2009):

"A march called “the Day of Islamic Unity,” is expecting a crowd of 50,000 from mosques throughout the country, including a Muslim contingency from Alaska. The march will happen in conjunction with The National Day of Prayer, “Our time has come!” proclaims Islam on Capitol Hill, a new non-profit, tax-exempt corporation that is seeking millions in sponsorship.
 
Hassen Abdellah claims the inspiration for this march was spawned from a speech Obama gave at the University of Cairo. Hassen Abdellah is an attorney that defended Islamic terrorists who bombed the World Trade Center. When asked why use the term, “Our time has Come,” the planners of the event explained, “Democracy is not revelation, and democracy does not equal freedom, for in democracy you have apartheid, you have slavery, you have homosexuality, you have lesbianism, you have gambling, you have all of the voices that are against the spirit of truth; so no we don’t want to democratize Islam, we want to Islamize democracy. That’s what we want.”
Really? How would you describe the comments on this very board about the gay marriage and the fact that it shouldn't happen because your god says it is naughty?
Apparently "your god" isn't the only one that thinks it's naughty or at least against the "spirit of truth". Sounds like the Islamic god feels the same. Liberals must just hate the "your god" more than the Islamic one, as that one gets their full support for homophobia. Too damn funny.
I like this funny too:
Enforcing Sharia values here in the US would be ok so long as it's not violent?

And what about the rather long history of anti-abortion violence?

What is abortion but killing babies or fetuses? Why don't liberals just think of the anti-abortion deaths as retroactive abortions? One would think they'd be clamoring for more, or is the kick in killing something (or someone) that can't fight back? Well one thing's true any kooky religion has nothing on the far left.

on Aug 21, 2010

Dude, I honestly do not care about gay marriage, one way or another. But from what I understand, no one opposing gay marriage is suggesting a law that says gay people should be put to death, so I still don't see that as a Christian version of Sharia.

 

So Humbordt,

So you're not against religion being a driving force behind laws - you just don't want to be forced to convert to Islam? 

on Aug 21, 2010

And I agree--in fact, I said almost exactly that myself. But where is murder more prevalent? And by "more," I mean "way, way, way more."

Prevalent?  No degree is acceptable. So what should we do?  Rank out the top 5 churches that kill people and ban them from building new churches?  Or just the one where it's most prevalent (and is not christian, and happens to be populated mostly by brown people)?

 

Hate to be redundant, but the Texas GOP is not a religious sect.

OHhhhh yes.  Huge difference.  It's a political organization who's taking up some of the core issues of a religious sect----- in order to make religious values the law of the land-----completely different thing from this idea of muslims trying to bring Sharia law to the US.  Totally different.  Not even a whisper of similarities. 

 

If, on the other hand, there was only one 'political party' and it was the 'Evangelical Christian Party' and it had 100% authority over all secular & legal matters, including the unquestionable authority to seize assets, maim or kill based purely on religious doctrine...

Do you seriously believe that is a real risk if the muslim folks put up a mosque near ground zero? 

 

Hard to believe that could happen under our current CIC, isn't it?

Ohhhh yeah totally Obama's fault. 

 

But that still has nothing to do with the topic. Not even the Army is a religious sect.

I was having fun with the juxtaposition.  Replacing the Christian details with the muslim details. 

 

Apparently "your god" isn't the only one that thinks it's naughty or at least against the "spirit of truth". Sounds like the Islamic god feels the same.

Well then clearly the Family Values loons and the Muslims have a lot in common. 

 

What is abortion but killing babies or fetuses?

A voluntary medical procedure. 

on Aug 21, 2010

So Islam/Sharia is nothing more than a political organization.  Who knew?  I feel so much better now.

on Aug 21, 2010

So Islam/Sharia is nothing more than a political organization. Who knew? I feel so much better now.

Well that is what you're afraid of right?  Them demanding that portions of sheria law get enacted here in the United States and attempting to accomplish that through political means, right?

 

Or do you believe on day you're going to flip on your tv with some mullah telling us we're not under Sheria Law and all of a sudden people in Iowa start getting beheaded as they leave their mega church? 

 

Tell us your 'vision' for your 'fears'. 

on Aug 22, 2010

Nitro Cruiser
Gotta love you guys.

Got to love you thinking that a comment I made just after quoting somebody complety different was aimed at you.  Shall we both play that game?

[quote who="dan_|" comment="57"]

Tell us your 'vision' for your 'fears'

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(Nitro this comment in in reference to the above quote and is not to do with the first quote).  If anybobdy cares to answer this please also add how the building of a community center that runs events to increase dialoge will lead to those fears comming true.  Is it just this center or all muslim buildings?

on Aug 22, 2010

If anybobdy cares to answer this please also add how the building of a community center that runs events to increase dialoge will lead to those fears comming true. Is it just this center or all muslim buildings?

Well you see Basmas, the answer is "yes".  They shouldn't be able to build any buildings.  So says the American Family Association: 

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20100812/pl_yblog_upshot/conservative-activist-calls-for-nationwide-mosque-moratorium

 

 

on Aug 22, 2010

Prevalent? No degree is acceptable. So what should we do? Rank out the top 5 churches that kill people and ban them from building new churches? Or just the one where it's most prevalent (and is not christian, and happens to be populated mostly by brown people)?

I didn't say anything even remotely like that, and you know it. You asked what the difference was, and I answered. Your ant-abortion murders were crimes, even Christians agree with that--hell, the guy who killed Tiller knew what he was doing was illegal, even if he stupidly thought it was justified.  And nobody said it was acceptable.  But Sharia specifically calls for murder, and does not consider it a crime when it is done for Allah. 

It's obvious you believe Christianity is bad (mmkay).  You're allowed to believe that--this is America, where we're all still allowed to believe whatever we want (you know, because we don't have Sharia law here). But to say it's worse than Sharia is silly.  There's just not enough genital mutilation and stoning going on in the Christian community to convince me otherwise. 

And as far as Christians trying to impose their religious laws on people, I'll worry about that when they start preaching "Death to Unbelievers!" in churches and blowing people up by the thousands in order to get it done. Right now all they're doing is pretty much what you're doing--making a lot of noise.  We're all free to roll our eyes at them if we so choose.  No one will kill us if we do.

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