I should not have to pay because someone else screwed up.  I did not make a decision to buy a house that I could not afford.  When I sat down with the lawyers and discussed the interest rates, payments etc. etc.  I investigated it further to assure myself that my future was going to be secure.  Most of these people bought a house because they we B.S.ed.  I guess no one ever taught these people C.Y.A. cuz ain't anyone going to do it for you.  And on top of all that I earn my money.  I expect my taxes to pay for government upkeep.  Just like my property tax goes to my children's school and my auto tax helping to keep the roads in good condition.  I expect my fed tax to keep up its end. NOT the guy who foolishly made a bad decision.

You're not.  You're paying for the free tax cut giveaways you got from Bushco for the past 8 years.  You didn't earn them.  You didn't deserve them.  And now, they are going to be undone.  Simple as that.

There is a HUGE difference between opening home mortgages up to a broader class of loan applicant using attractive interest rates (in 1999) & thoroughly deregulating and failing to police an ENTIRE INDUSTRY for nearly a decade (in 2002).

Guess which one of these two factors was PRIMARILY responsible for the current situation?

I'm not blaming it on one man...unless you mean Dick Cheney.  And then, yeah, you can put most of the corruption and graft of Bushco on his shoulders.  He, Rumsfeld, and Bush Sr. have been at the center of all of this for 30 years. Bush Jr. is just a Dan Quayle grade puppet, meant to play the part of the "common man" so that Joe Sixpack feels the Prez shares his interests.  Dick Cheney is the price Bush Jr. paid for the White House.

Study your history on these men and learn.

So...your clever retort is that someone corrected your fallacy before I did?  Um...okay. 

Nope. 

Bush is historically and objectively the worst President to ever have sat in the Oval Office...bar none. In fact, he's right up there with some of the all-time WORST Roman emperors of all time, period.  Nero only burned Rome, remember.

Short of pressing the nuclear button in a drunken/coke binge, I don't see what's left for the man to ruin?! 

Are you REALLY this self-delusional?!  Do you really think the other 74% of us who think this man is an utter incompetent and corrupt buffoon who has ruined this country's moral and financial standing in the world are just being spun to the left?! Hahahahaha!! 

Or is it more likely that you are going to cling to this proven fallacious IDEOLOGY no matter what the facts tell you?  And is this because, deep down inside, you now realize that voting for Bush in 2000 and/or 2004 makes you partially responsible for what has happened to the nation you profess so much patriotism for?

Yeah, I said it. 

If you voted for Bush, you owe your neighbors, the ones who told you what was going to happen in 2000 and then had PROOF in hand by 2004, an APOLOGY.  You were WRONG about Bushco and his grafting cronies and the rest of us have been proven oh so right.

But it's okay, people make mistakes.  Some of us are able to admit them when we make them.  And therein lie the seeds of forgiveness. 

While others cling to self-serving spin and dogma in defense of their own fragile egos.

So, are you going to man-up and apologize or continue to live in the Bill O'Reilly Only-Spin phantom ideology Zone? 

That's not right to pin that social issue on the libs. Same exact point goes for the Conservs as well. All you pointed out was that people can be cowardly in not expressing their true feelings... this goes for everything in life, not just politics.

Ever heard of out of the pot and into the fire?  Quoting partisan hack jobs to refute what you perceive to be other partisan hack jobs is basically conceding the point.  FAS is anything but unbiased.  Try an objective source.

Wait!  That is the point of this article!  Finding one that is not hell bent to the left.

Sorry, carry on.

Nice dodge yourself.  You mean you did not?  Do you even have a real job?

Dont you just love that liberal line?  It is always - you people - never themselves, although as we see, they sure dont give a dime to charity themselves.  WHy?  Because they want to give "you people's" money to show their generosity!

Did it make your unsuccess possible?  Is that why liberals dont like to give?

Point, set and match!

Apparently you cannot separate fact from fiction.  Your statement is at best ignorant, and at worst an outright lie.

Another lie - do you know how to tell the truth at all?

His approval rating is not the obverse of those who agree with you.  I happen to not approve of him, but am not so stupid as to sign on to your moonbeam bandwagon either.  I think he made some major mistakes, but hardly the worst president ever, or even as bad as your rhetoric.  But then you would not understand that I guess - not with your hand out and mouth open for another suckling at the teat of the successful.

God, ain't that the friggin truth. If you want to know who the people are giving money to charitable organizations.....ask any organization or any fund raiser......it's the small businessmen who give a couple hundred dollars to help the local band get to a parade 3 states away or help fund a blood drive, or whatever you want to think of.....it sure as hell ain't the whiners of the left......they just want to point at a need and say that "we need to take money from those sorry ass rich bastards and fix this!"

"I" (notice I said I) tend to think of a conservative as someone who believes he's responsible for taking care of himself, his/her family, helping his friends and those he interacts with.

I tend to think of Liberals as those who believe someone else is responsible for everything....whether it be government, the church, the mom and dad who ruined their life....but someone else is definitely responsbile for their predicament in life.

Nailed it!

Dr Guy ...when someone may say something that is subsequently refuted/found to be incorrect that does NOT make it a lie.....it simply makes it incorrect.

A 'lie' is the statement of an intentional falsehood in order to deflect from the truth.  By definition the person would need to be aware of the fact [truth] for it to be a lie.

A person may be naive, deluded, or just plain ignorant/uneducated....but it ain't a 'lie'....

Sad but true

LMAO

If that's true it is un-American and deplorable! It's also very hard to prove if it, in fact happens to one. The fact is that polarization comes full circle and bites "The Polarizer" and those associated with him.

That is the meaning of "reaping what one sows". Perhaps had he been a "Uniter" in a time when we needed one, and less of an ideologue without much skill at what the Electorate chose him to be this election would have been alot better.

Excalpius  is correct: Greed brought this on us, and that is the one thing we all share: our humanity and shared strengths and weaknesses. Let's start building and repairing instead of dividing and destroying. Can't we all live in a civil society with respect for eachother?

Lantec, I (notice I said I) think that one can either be a Philosopher or a King: Not both. I think that when a Moderator or Admin person or Wizop (if that still exists) enters a Forum as a participant the "Moderator", etc. should be shed from the avatar in order not to have undue "power" in a discussion. This inhibitory effect on free speech is ironic since I.D. has an 'enhanced avatar' and started this thread about being inhibited in what Conservatives can say.

Your second to last paragraph indicates a rather limited way of looking at the fact that you as a member of Society in fact do have a responsibility for/to others. The rest of the last paragraph (mom, etc.) is stereotypical thinking, and is therefore lazy. Since you are anything but lazy, it is surprising.