Is one side more receptive than the other?
Published on April 3, 2008 By Island Dog In Internet

Piracy, whether it be of games, movies, software, or music is a pretty hot topic these days.  On one side you have people against piracy who usually claim copyright should be protected and what people are doing is just plain stealing.  On the other side there are people who think attempts to squash piracy are against someones "freedom" and argue that piracy doesn't affect the bottom line in business.

I have been looking through a bunch of websites that one could say the readers are more "supportive" of piracy and I noticed that what seems like a majority of these people seem to also be vocal in U.S. politics.  It also seems many of these people lean more to the left of the political spectrum, although I can't find any data to officially back that up with.  However, I think it's an interesting question to ask.  Does ones political affiliation and beliefs lessen or strengthen their stance on piracy?

Now before people get all bent out of shape, let me say I'm not accusing someone of advocating piracy because they are more liberal or conservative, but I do have my personal theory that one side is more receptive of the practice than another.  It's common to hear that people who are younger are typically more receptive to piracy than someone much older, but you never here much about their political, or even religious, preferences.

My belief is people who are more liberal, meaning fairly far left, will be more likely to accept the practice of piracy.  Why do I think that?  Well first of all, far left thinking is that capitalism is bad, and anyone who makes a profit is somehow "evil".  This also goes back to the reality that liberalism is more in favor of entitlement, and that someone who makes money somehow "owes" it back to society.  This creates an attitude of basically "I don't care" and that stealing someones copyrighted material doesn't mean anything because they are retaliating against the "greedy" industry.

What is your opinion?  Do you think an individuals political leaning affects their stance on piracy, or do you think it has no connection at all?


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on Apr 04, 2008
I don't know. It sounds kinda like bs to me. Political leanings and morals don't really seem to go hand-in-hand as much as people tend to think.

Piracy is piracy, and without actual hard data it is unfair to "claim" that one group of people is more prone to theft than any other.

And as for labels, well.... Soren Kierkegaard put it best: "Once you label me, you negate me."

on Apr 04, 2008
Webgizmo seems to think that people are owed something, instead of having to work for it. And if they are owed it, then they have a right (or at least a right not to be blamed for it) to take it regardless of ownership.


Ah....NO...I never said anyone is owed anything. And further....please show me where I said anyone has the right to take anything that isn't theirs?

And he does describe himself as a liberal.


NO...You describe me as a liberal. Don't assume to ball someone up in your way of thinking based a few sentences taken out of context. You know nothing whatsoever about me.

Get your facts straight....and further....I do not in any way, shape or form subscribe to any party lines...so don't even try to label me as anything other than a human being. You and others may "think" people are describing themselves one way or the other....but you haven't got a clue. People are more complex than that.

I've seen party minded people like yourself change party lines at the drop of hat on numerous occasions. So trying to label someone is an exercise in futility. I myself keep an open mind about the world around me, I don't allow insane political parties define who I am.


on Apr 04, 2008
The concept of liberal/conservative is amusing to most people. For 90% of the world both these are extreme right wing...
on Apr 04, 2008

Jafo . . I may be a bad person and parent . . but I teach my kids to discern and pre-judge to a certain extant. I think it makes good sense.

Zu...it'd be far better to teach your kids to be wary/leery of people until proven otherwise...aka "Stranger danger"... but THAT MUST go way beyond one race, creed, or colour [and political bent].  ALL should be presumed 'bad' until demonstrated to the contrary....eg via assurity by appropriate adult [parent].

Pre-judging can be problematic as you shouldn't want to pass on the impression that for example all well-dressed people are good and all scruffy long-hairs are bad....or vice-versa, for that matter.  It may even equate to the horrors we have all been subjected to eg in Hollywood where for a very long time if you were black you must be a servant or at best a villain....cowboys with white hats vs black....not even subtle.  Racial stereotyping.....everything from 'Black and White minstrel show' to 'Gollywogs' to 'Yo Momma jokes' - all aid and abet society's 'pre-judging' 'differentiation'.

Example.....we can collectively call ourselves 'skinners', or maybe 'skin users' but that's as far as it goes [or SHOULD go].  It does NOT make us collectively [or individually] good/better people, and I am quite confident we are not all equally 'good'...

on Apr 04, 2008
People are more complex than that.


Exactly the point I was trying to get across, pity only one person got it...
on Apr 04, 2008
Exactly the point I was trying to get across, pity only one person got it...


My Wall...if you hear any noise...its me banging my head against your wall!
on Apr 04, 2008
ts me banging my head against your wall!
ZubaZ wonders which will break first. 
on Apr 05, 2008
Zubaz wonders which will break first.


It'll be a draw!
on Apr 05, 2008
People are more complex than that.


Exactly the point I was trying to get across, pity only one person got it...


I got it... just hadn't bothered to comment, being totally disinterested in politics and outside the US. Liberals where I come from (oz) are tight arsed, mean spirited and quite pro business... the poor usually fare poorly under them.

However, people steal to make ends meet: they're poor and feel the need. These poor sods are the ones who most often get the shittiest end of the stick in court because theft is rampant... more-so because of the following two categories, who have no need.

Others steal simply because they can: most often only doing so to prove a point, either to themselves or others). This type of thief becomes so brazen that they eventually get caught, and they they cry poor and plead for leniency

Then you have those who steal simply because they want to: not because they want or need the item, nor because they must make ends meet or have anything to prove. This type of thief is probably the worst because the stolen items are quite often thrown away or discarded in some dark closet for eternity.

Of course then there is the cleptomanaic who can not resist the compulsion to steal and need help to overcome their problem.

At one time or another in my life I have come across people from all these categories, and I can confidently state that none had any political persuasions of any kind... it didn't matter to them which party was in power, because it was government and therefore an authority which was corruptly managing their affairs/the economy.

Me, well I'm pretty much like Webgizmos... I have NO party preferences/persuasions and live in a 'governed' society because there is no escaping it in this day and age. I hated the Howard Liberal Government with a passion, but I don't know that I like the Rudd Labor Government any better... despite it 'supposedly' being for the working man/lower class.

Many of my family and friends/acquaintances feel the same way, but I don't think any of them ever thought it was right to steal, irrespective of which party governed... whether or not they felt like "getting back at the bastards".

Nope!! I see no correlation between political persuasion and stealing/piracy. The complex spectrum of life from which thieves/pirates come is too wide and varied to even attempt to put them in any kind of political category.

My tuppence worth.


on Apr 05, 2008
Nope!! I see no correlation between political persuasion and stealing/piracy. The complex spectrum of life from which thieves/pirates come is too wide and varied to even attempt to put them in any kind of political category.


I whole-heartedly agree with this statement.
on Apr 05, 2008
I do not in any way, shape or form subscribe to any party lines


Liberal is not a party line. It is an ideology that can and often does cross party lines. Me thinks he doth protest too much.
on Apr 05, 2008
Left, right...conservative, liberal...whats the difference.  We still have a lot in common.  How many movies have you recorded off the TV?  How many cassettes/cds have you recorded with music? 
on Apr 05, 2008
Right on Starkers!

Liberal is not a party line. It is an ideology that can and often does cross party lines


Well there ya go...When someone refers to a liberal....they are generally speaking about a particular political stance...Dem/Rep/Lib/Conservative...you guys just can't make up your minds...its just more waffling on where someone stands. And if you cross party lines...I guess your at the party then huh? Or are you just a wall flower at the party?

Your either in the game/party or not. Personally, I like to stay away from people I wouldn't even invite into my house. Then ya need all that whiteout for when everyone jumps parties...it just gets to ridiculous.

And I gave up protesting....waste of time anymore. I just get annoyed at people that double speak...try to label me...or don't have the backbone to actually stand for something and take physical action other than sitting in a chair grumbling. And I'm not talking about anyone in particular here...I don't know any of you well enough to make a judgment either way...just speaking my own mind.

And can we just call piracy what it really is....theft. No need to insult pirates.
on Apr 05, 2008
And can we just call piracy what it really is....theft. No need to insult pirates.


Thanks Giz. Us honorable pirates 'ere at WC thanks ye frum tha very bottom of our salty 'earts fer defendin' our integrity. Some of us might be a bit on tha blaggardy side, but we ain't pirates...er, about nickin' interlecktual property.


on Apr 05, 2008
When someone refers to a liberal....they are generally speaking about a particular political stance...Dem/Rep/Lib/Conservative


Actually no, or at least the literati do not. There is a real difference between democrat and liberal and republican and conservative.

McCain is a republican, but not conservative. UP until 2006, Lieberman was a democrat, but hardly a liberal.
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