Is one side more receptive than the other?
Published on April 3, 2008 By Island Dog In Internet

Piracy, whether it be of games, movies, software, or music is a pretty hot topic these days.  On one side you have people against piracy who usually claim copyright should be protected and what people are doing is just plain stealing.  On the other side there are people who think attempts to squash piracy are against someones "freedom" and argue that piracy doesn't affect the bottom line in business.

I have been looking through a bunch of websites that one could say the readers are more "supportive" of piracy and I noticed that what seems like a majority of these people seem to also be vocal in U.S. politics.  It also seems many of these people lean more to the left of the political spectrum, although I can't find any data to officially back that up with.  However, I think it's an interesting question to ask.  Does ones political affiliation and beliefs lessen or strengthen their stance on piracy?

Now before people get all bent out of shape, let me say I'm not accusing someone of advocating piracy because they are more liberal or conservative, but I do have my personal theory that one side is more receptive of the practice than another.  It's common to hear that people who are younger are typically more receptive to piracy than someone much older, but you never here much about their political, or even religious, preferences.

My belief is people who are more liberal, meaning fairly far left, will be more likely to accept the practice of piracy.  Why do I think that?  Well first of all, far left thinking is that capitalism is bad, and anyone who makes a profit is somehow "evil".  This also goes back to the reality that liberalism is more in favor of entitlement, and that someone who makes money somehow "owes" it back to society.  This creates an attitude of basically "I don't care" and that stealing someones copyrighted material doesn't mean anything because they are retaliating against the "greedy" industry.

What is your opinion?  Do you think an individuals political leaning affects their stance on piracy, or do you think it has no connection at all?


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on Apr 03, 2008
According to this am I to believe that people who shoplift and/or steal are liberals?
Or, to take Brad's tack . . more likely to justify. 

In my experience, most of the people I know that pirate digital IP would never shoplift or steal physical things (although I know a few people from the left that don't hesitate to take from public or govt institutions in small amounts [because "their tax dollars pay for it anyway").  Maybe they see it differently or maybe they're more afraid of being caught. 
on Apr 03, 2008
I think WebGizmo jsut stole my joy.  
on Apr 03, 2008
I know a few people from the left that don't hesitate to take from public or govt institutions in small amounts [because "their tax dollars pay for it anyway"). Maybe they see it differently or maybe they're more afraid of being caught.


Why do you keep insisting on this? People on the left do this and people on the left do that with the thises and the thats being some sort of stealing and rationalizing. Zubaz is Karl Rove!
on Apr 03, 2008
I think WebGizmo jsut stole my joy.


Hehe!

on Apr 03, 2008
OH....and it has been my experience that people with nick names beginning with Z are far more likely to rationalize their piracy as somehow being morally good.
on Apr 04, 2008

There's a difference between prejudice and experience.

No kidding, Zu ....

Did I say anything to the contrary?

EXPERIENCE may show [to you in yours] that lefties do one thing more commonly than those on the right....or not.

PREJUDICE only becomes an issue when the prevalence is directly attributed to the political affliction....rather than perhaps a coincidence, or discrepancies in counting methodoligy/relevance favouring one socio-economic group over another.

Example...

What if your 'experience' was with friends of the same political persuasion as yourself [whom you favor] vs. a bunch of upper-class twit professionals, or slum-dwelling drop-ours [whatever the opposite may be] that crossed your path in inordinate numbers....so much so that these 'others' numerically appeared more prone to thieving [or less] depending on your aspect?  In other words....is it 'us and them', or is it 'we', and thus can one's stance/view be seen as purely objective?

Or is it, [as is most common a fault in society] purely subjective [and flawed]?

Categorizing people by whatever 'distinguishing' factor or trait can be read as 'discriminatory' as and when different levels of social acceptance/acceptability are ascribed to each.

Personally, I don't hate or distinguish between capitalists/socialists/liberals/conservatives, whatever you want to call them.....all bar none are exercising their rights to determine their 'persuasion'.  I certainly wouldn't want to distinguish between the prevalence of negative traits for one or the other as such simply fuels adversity through prejudice.

I know rich arseholes....and I know poor arseholes.  Successful ones and abject failures.  People who pirate and people who do not.  And people [like most] who wobble uncomfortably on the edge of the two [piracy, not arseholes]....

 

 

on Apr 04, 2008
Basically, if you gave people the chance to earn a better wage...maybe...just maybe...they would be less inclined to steal.
Bullcrap . .I've know poor people that don't steal and rich people that do. It has to do with what kind of person you are.


Well, I got to comment 17, before I just had to comment.

Zubaz is right. And WebGismo demonstrates the validity of island Dog's opinion. Webgismo seems to think that people are owed something, instead of having to work for it. And if they are owed it, then they have a right (or at least a right not to be blamed for it) to take it regardless of ownership.

And he does describe himself as a liberal.
on Apr 04, 2008
simply for the reason that Liberals are more willing to give out free stuff (money, food stamps, etc.)


Again, give out things that are not theirs. NOne of the stuff mentioned is theirs to give, and they are free with the giving. Studies show that the more generous a person is, the tendency is they are more conservative, as they give from their own pockets not yours.

Piracy is me giving from your pocket, and goes hand in hand with what you said. They love to give from your pocket, not theirs.
on Apr 04, 2008

Zubaz is Karl Rove!

I think that is a compliment. 

However, in my experience, people on the left are far more likely to rationalize their piracy as somehow being morally good.

That sums it up pretty good right there. 

 

on Apr 04, 2008
Jafo . . I may be a bad person and parent . . but I teach my kids to discern and pre-judge to a certain extant.  I think it makes good sense.

<About to wander a bit . . . . >

I think that as responsible people we have an obligation to judge. I think that a concern about being judged poorly is a control in our society. I further think that judging (especially within a small group) will improveone's powers of judgment.

The hard part about judging is finding balance. I tell my kids that they should assume people are good. But I also tell them that if there a person who looks "wrong" walking toward you, move away from them. There's a thin line between reasonable pre-judging based on experience and wisdom, and prejudice based on fear and stereotype.

I think there are things that we all want to do or have wanted to do in the past that society as a whole may not have approved of. Maybe things that aren't illegal but just not right. What defines "not just right"? Other people. Other people judging you. It's a good thing.

The function of group judgment should be wicked strong (as they might say in the Boston of my imagination). The trick there is the group that's doing the judgment. If the judging group is not a sampling of the greater whole; instead, is a group that might reinforce the behavior being judged; all benefits of judgment is lost. If the fear of being judged harshly is stopping a person from revealing a behavior, perhaps they need to evaluate stopping that behavior.


I think that in the youth culture . . which also happens to lean to the left . . they are not judged poorly by their peers for having a "I am owed" mentality or pirating digital IP.  I think, in fact, that they are encouraged by their peers and the world of IP law will be interesting in about 20 years. 
on Apr 04, 2008
I had my fair share of piracy some time ago. It’s basically what lead me to this site. I eventually learned how annoying it was dealing with pirated content so I went the open-source way or I buy my stuff now, well, except maybe music. I usually never like an entire record so I just get the one song I Like. Either way I don’t think I download more than 3 songs a year since today’s music pretty much sucks, I’ll stick to the 80’s.

I think piracy is bad simply because it is. It’s someone else’s property and no one would want to have their stuff stolen so. Political connection? Maybe. As some have said here, a Liberal is more likely to believe piracy to be morally correct. But I seriously doubt politics play a big role in it. The reality is that People will always look to saving a few bucks one way or another and probably would not question a guy who is selling a $1500 HD TV for $500. Would you say no to a free Xbox 360 without knowing if it was stolen or knowing?

The truth is thieves come in all shapes and sizes, any political party and of any lifestyle (rich or poor). Poor people steal because they want and need money; rich people steal because they want more money. The only difference I see is that when poor people steal, they take without permission, rich people get people to give them money freely buy selling something at a higher price than the consumer should have paid.

According to this am I to believe that people who shoplift and/or steal are liberals?


You mean more likely to be Liberals. This would be a great theory to research. Take every person ever convicted of stealing and ask them what was their political affiliation at the time of committing the crime. It would be funny to see if criminals and Democrats or Liberals can be linked.
on Apr 04, 2008
Jafo . . I may be a bad person and parent . . but I teach my kids to discern and pre-judge to a certain extant. I think it makes good sense.



I think that as responsible people we have an obligation to judge. I think that a concern about being judged poorly is a control in our society. I further think that judging (especially within a small group) will improveone's powers of judgment.


I do find interesting the double standards people tend to hold now a days. If we pre-judge a person for possible committing a crime, we are seen as unfair and probably relate it to racism, the cleansing of a religious faith, sexism, etc. Yet, by the same token, if that same person does get to commit the crime, we are seen as incompetent and stupid for not stopping them.

I believe in a defensive lifestyle which requires a lot of pre-judging. I tend to believe most people are good but never ignore the possibility of being stabbed in the back. I trust no one, trust is earned not given. When I drive, as far as I'm concerned everyone else on the road is an idiot behind the wheel. Give me a better mentality to actually avoid encounters with the true idiots behind the wheel.
on Apr 04, 2008

You mean more likely to be Liberals. This would be a great theory to research. Take every person ever convicted of stealing and ask them what was their political affiliation at the time of committing the crime. It would be funny to see if criminals and Democrats or Liberals can be linked.

That would be very interesting.

I do find interesting the double standards people tend to hold now a days. If we pre-judge a person for possible committing a crime, we are seen as unfair and probably relate it to racism, the cleansing of a religious faith, sexism, etc. Yet, by the same token, if that same person does get to commit the crime, we are seen as incompetent and stupid for not stopping them.

That's what political correctness does to society. 

 

on Apr 04, 2008
Opinions are like noses, everyone has one and they all smell. Having said that, I will now deposit mine.

No one is a devout conservative or a liberal, these are merely radio/tv personalities created to shape public opinion, and in the end to achieve more ratings. How the two contrasting points of view are accepted or rejected depends on the perceptive bias of the individual, because despite what any tv or radio station will have you believe, you are an individual that is capable of making sound decisions through cognitive thinking.

This is an important distinction because as human beings, we have the ability to make choices; whether to follow one school of thought, reject another, or pick and choose. These choices are irrespective of age groups, media commentators, demographics or polling data. The influence these two social ideologies have on deviant behavior is negligible, as during the commission of the act, the individual is pursuant to a personal gain, and rarely a political statement, at lease in this context.

Operative words such as "conservative" and "liberal" when used in the context of describing people are labels. Labels are for soup cans, stop being a soup can and re-join the human race!
on Apr 04, 2008
My Wall: labels are useful and accurate within the scope of this discussion.  If you identify with enough elements of belief with a group of individuals calling themselves something  . . it's fair to say that you are (to some degree) that thing.
The spectrum is far enough apart on many issues to accurately label people more or less liberal or conservative.
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