How to tell you are talking to a leftist.

Published on June 6, 2005 By Island Dog In Politics

I have read so many posts and blogs from the fanatical left wing people, and I have found the same rhetoric in almost all of them. So let's take this time to dismiss some of the more "popular" conspiracies, rhetoric, and lies of the lefties. If you read a post with the following comments, then you know it's pointless to argue because they will believe nothing else.

Bush "stole" the election, or he was "appointed" by the Supreme Court.

This has to be one of the most popular here on JU. Our two resident radicals love to bring this one up. As with most liberal claims, both are just false. Bush won the 2000 election fairly and legally. Even after his re-election the left still can't get over this fact. In a recount in 2000 done by the major newspapers and media here in Florida, Bush was shown to have gotten the majority of votes even if a full recount was done. Just get over it, Bush won both times.

The U.S. is now a "police state".

This is another popular one, and happens to be one of the most ridiculous. I would bet every liberal who says this has no idea what a real "police state" is like. Let's remember something. You are free to travel this country. You are free to criticize the government. You are free to post the nonsense of how much you hate on this board. If there was a "police state", none of this would be happening. I would like to tell the liberals to go visit a real "police state", that is if you can get access. If they can get there I would also encourage them to publically denounce the government and see how they are treated. Go live there for a couple of months, and then tell me if that reminds you of the U.S.

Fox News or the liberal line "Faux News".

This is the tell tale sign of arguing with a liberal. There isn't much more rage you get out of a leftie when you tell them something about Fox News. Liberals ignore the polls, public opinion, and overall proof of a liberal lean in todays media, but will argue for hours how Fox News is the "puppet of the administration". Now when you ask for proof of Fox working for the Bush administration they bring up the same points everytime. First they start with Bill O'Reilly. I watch O'Reilly and he is far from working for Bush. He is one of people in the media who is taking Bush to task on things like immigration, and not in a nice way. The next they mention Sean Hannity. Yes Hannity is part of the right, but he's also a commentator, not a news reporter. There is a difference, but that doesn't matter. Commenting and analyzing the news is not the same as reporting it.

These are the top 3 liberal lines that you will find here. Please feel free to add your own.

Comments (Page 1)

James Rove

on Jun 06, 2005

"Liberals ignore the polls, public opinion, and overall proof of a liberal lean in todays media"

You can provide all the polls you want of how most Americans think the media has a liberal bias, but that does not prove anything.

The 1992 RNC chairman admitted that there is no liberal media* and that it's just a myth conjured by Republicans. He described crying "liberal media!" similar to "working the refs".

Bill Kristol even said that the liberal media "never was very strong".

And when the first liberal to solo host a cable news talk show, Chris Donahue, got the job, Pat Buchanan called it "affirmative action."

(Oh, and by the way, yes, you're right, you can't use Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity as evidence of a bias because they are understod to be commentators. However, one could argue that the show "Hannity & Colmes" is not fair as Hannity does most of the talking and is stronger, while Colmes has been described as "squirelly-looking", talks less, and is not strong by any means. This could be used as evidence of a conservative bias on Fox.)

*There is a liberal media, as there is a conservative media, and it is made up of the Nation, the New Yorker, etc. When the chairman said there was no liberal media, he meant the major mainstream media was not liberal. This explains why Kristol said the liberal media never was strong, but existed. The chairman denied that the mainstream media was liberal. Kristol said there was a liberal media, but it's not the mainstream media sources.

Island Dog

on Jun 06, 2005

Then why do democrats get a pass from the media in this country? Why was there a media frenzy over Tom Delay, but totally ignored top ranking democrats who did the same thing, and one's who actually violated the law?

Why was there no media coverage of the trial of the Clinton fundraiser? You know if that was a Republican it would be front page news.

Anyways, this post wasn't about the liberal media, just the same rhetoric the left uses.

Texas Wahine

on Jun 06, 2005

I'm a lefty, and...

Bush "stole" the election, or he was "appointed" by the Supreme Court.

I don't believe this or even talk about it.

The U.S. is now a "police state".

Nope. We all have to be vigilant about protecting our liberties (just as the right-wing gun folks so adamantly do), but the US is nothing like a police state. Not in the least.

Fox News or the liberal line "Faux News".

Fox News has a right-wing slant to it. It's still the news, but the news stories and and issues it chooses to highlight are more in line with right-wing thought. The talking heads on Fox News also tend to be conservatives.

I prefer MSNBC, but I watch Fox News from time to time (particulary while waiting for my kids to get a hair cut because it's the only thing they show in the barber shop on base), and I'm able to follow the news with it and recognize anything that I feel is slanted or biased reporting and view it as just that.

I see bias in other news reporting, right and left, but I am able to make my own mind up about things without having to be told what to think by a guy in a suit or a chick with big hair and lipgloss.

Moderateman

on Jun 06, 2005

hey dog! nice article.. fair and balanced if I do say so myself. Yes fox is slightly slanted right, I do not have enough time on the planet left to name all the left leaning news outlets, but here I go, cbs, left, abc, left nbc, left
cnn so far left they should report from france instead of atlanta, msnbc more left than right, whewww Now I am tired and must go lay down on my right side to balance out all the lefty crap here.

COL Gene

on Jun 06, 2005

Lets see what the left has to say when the medical records of Rush put him in jail for "Doctor Shopping"

drmiler

on Jun 06, 2005

#5 by COL Gene
Monday, June 06, 2005

Lets see what the left has to say when the medical records of Rush put him in jail for "Doctor Shopping"

And how about when the ACLU gets the charges thrown out for violating Florida's constitutional right of privacy and doctor-patient confidentiality?

gothcartman

on Jun 07, 2005

Heres how you know your talking to an independent (who tend to be more calm, relistic, and rational)

Bush lost the election Popular vote should be used to determine president. thats the realistic fraction of people who voted for a candidate. The electoral college is outdated

U.S. is now more guarded and it shows The U.S. is more cautious these days than ever before but thats just something that comes with being an american and protecting what's yours in America. Its a necessary evil. It sucks that it has to be that way but it just does. Oh well.

Fox News. Not bad; there are better Fox news leans toward the right. its true. They have every right to do so. It's America. a lot of news outlets also lean a little left Most of us, however are more inclined to get our news from a more unbiased source, and then make our own opinions. After all its America.

Just thought i might as well make this point of view known here. seems like as good a place as any

dabe

on Jun 07, 2005

Lets see what the left has to say when the medical records of Rush put him in jail for "Doctor Shopping"

I think rush is a pig extraordinaire. And, I don't doubt for a minute that he was doctor shopping to get his vicoden fixes. What makes him so dispicable is his hypocrisy for calling all addicts criminals and scum, etc., basically doing what rush does best - foaming at the brain.

However, having said that, I think that doctors should not be releasing his medical records unless rush approves it. If the feds have specific evidence, then use that. They should never be given carte blance to go on fishing expeditions to nail anyone. This is a basic example of a police-leaning state, and totally unacceptable. Not for rush, not for anyone.

Which, of course leads to yet another newsworthy medical records fishing expedition by the feds - planned parenthood, to find out who had abortions and when. WRONG WRONG WRONG. But, this is another issue.

So, COL, what's your point?

Island Dog

on Jun 07, 2005

Lets see what the left has to say when the medical records of Rush put him in jail for "Doctor Shopping"

First of all, Rush will not go to jail. Nobody should go to jail for "doctor shopping". Next, what does this have to do wtih this post anyways?

Dr Guy

on Jun 07, 2005

Bush lost the election Popular vote should be used to determine president. thats the realistic fraction of people who voted for a candidate. The electoral college is outdated

It will never happen. Why? because there are a lot more small states than big states, and if the vote was popular, besides having 50 Florida 2000s, the candidates would ignore the small states.

You may not like it, but it is hardly out dated. It is there to give small states a reasonable voice in the politics of the nation.

Dr Guy

on Jun 07, 2005

I think rush is a pig extraordinaire. And, I don't doubt for a minute that he was doctor shopping to get his vicoden fixes.

It was Oxycontin. Cant even get your hate right! And we know why you hate him. He is right and you are not.

Island Dog

on Jun 07, 2005

Bush lost the election Popular vote should be used to determine president. thats the realistic fraction of people who voted for a candidate. The electoral college is outdated

Well the fact is our system is not based on popular votes, it's based on the electoral college.

It was Oxycontin. Cant even get your hate right! And we know why you hate him. He is right and you are not

I wonder if they think the people on air america who advocate violence against the President and his family are just as bad?

Island Dog

on Jun 07, 2005

Great additions whip.

DiseasedHumanity

on Jun 07, 2005

Posted by little_whip:

WAR FOR OIL: No matter how much evidence is presented to the contrary, leftists stubbornly insist that the only reason we went to war with Iraq was to "steal their oil." I started a thread once, asking any and all to provide some concrete proof of that, and posting all sorts of statistics that do prove that the amount of oil we import from Iraq is miniscule in comparsion to the other markets we acquire it from, and could easily be replaced if we never got another drop from them. 200 posts later, still no proof. But they still like to make the claim, to me, it just makes them look like idiots.

To start out, I am a leftist, bordering on radical. Just so no one gets confused or so on.

It may be true that the percentage of oil is small in comparison to the other countries we import from {I'd like to see your source on that, as well}, but if you haven't noticed, many of the countries we go to war with or leap to defend or so on have something that we want. What comes to mind first is Sudan- a place we aren't- and conviniently enough, Sudan has nothing for us there. Namely oil, I suppose.

Also posted by little_whip {as are the rest of these}:

Cawed loudly from every rooftop anytime God is even mentioned in public life. Hey, if a government official announces that he's a skydiver, is that shoving skydiving down your throat?

Does being a skydiver infringe upon someone's right to believe what they want?

However, religion is being shoved down our throats in some ways. I went to the Official Navy Birthday Ball last year- sometime in November, I believe, and there they did a flag-folding ceremony. Which is supposed to be strictly military and religion-free. However, the 13th fold of the flag was for our "Lord and Savior Jesus Christ." Yes, that is what it said exactly. This was at a public, military function- a place where religion has no seat. However, it was still there, and I personally found it extremely disrespectful to all those who might not believe in "Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ-" as I don't. Propriety demanded that I stay in my seat, and respect for the ceremony itself demanded that I not stand up and yell my incredulity at the statement. That is, very much so, having religion shoved down my throat.

Religion is taking more and more of a stand in our country, and it's my opinion that it shouldn't be there at all. People can feel free to practice whatever religion or lack thereof they want- as long as they keep it out of the public's view. Separation of Church and State is there for a reason, but lately everyone seems to be ignoring that.

A few days ago I asked a well known lefty in JU to show me some examples of the left's tolerance towards Christians, since my argument that they are intolerant of Christians had been called "nonsense."

Fine. Over half of my good friends are Christian {the others are Muslim, Greek, and atheist}- and I'm atheist, so if that's not tolerance to some point than I don't know what is.

Many of the liberals I know are Christian- again, if that's not tolerance...how can you be intolerant of your own religion? I mean, if someone hates it that much, than why are they participating in it?

My personal belief is not that leftists are intolerant towards Christians alone, we are intolerant towards those who try to openly enforce their religion on us, no matter what it is. Unfortunately for the Christians, they are the largest, loudest, and most recognized group. That isn't my fault. I try to keep as open a mind as possible in concern to just who is "shoving religion down my throat," and it has been my finding that every person who has ever tried to convert me or encouraged me to join in in public displays of religion has been Christian.

Typical liberal tactic though, when you can't prove your own statement, call the other person an idiot and vacate the scene.

You don't like us generalizing on conservatives or righties. I would really appreciate you not generalizing on us. Have I called anyone an idiot yet? Have I "vacated the scene?" No, sorry. If you want us to take you seriously and give you good, thought-out answers, then don't bash on us as well. If people are bashing on you and they're liberal, then I'm sorry. But you're not going to make the problem better, or earn our respect, if you bash right back.

Cheers, Pads.

Island Dog

on Jun 08, 2005

What comes to mind first is Sudan- a place we aren't- and conviniently enough, Sudan has nothing for us there. Namely oil, I suppos

Sudan has oil.

OIL
Sudan contains proven reserves of 563 million barrels of oil, more than twice the 262 million barrels estimated in 2001. Because much of Sudanese oil exploration has been limited to the central and south-central regions, Sudanese Energy Ministry representatives estimate proven reserves at 700 million barrels and total reserves at five billion barrels, including potential reserves in northwest Sudan , the Blue Nile Basin , and the Red Sea area in eastern Sudan . Oil production has risen steadily since the completion of an export pipeline in July 1999. Crude oil production averaged 343,000 barrels per day (bbl/d) in 2004, up from 270,000 bbl/d during 2003. In December 2004, Sudanese Energy Minister Awad al-Jaz announced that oil production will likely increase to 500,000 bbl/d in 2005. Sudanese production may reach 750,000 bbl/d by late 2006 if increases in output progress as planned.

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