Arizona signed into law a new “controversial” law which makes it a crime to be an illegal immigrant.  Strange, because I thought that being illegal in the first place was a crime.  With more and more violent crimes being committed by illegals, an increasing drug and smuggling trade, and virtually nothing being done by the federal government, Arizona has taken the right step.

Obama has had a fit because illegal immigrant are a big part of his base of the entitlement class, and if they aren’t here, they can’t support him. 

What do you think?


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on Apr 27, 2010

Since it's the state's responsability to enforce both State and Federal law, why is the federal government blamed for not enforcing its own law?

The states enforce it once you set foot into their state.  The feds are supposed to enforce it at the border (that Arizona is a border state is immaterial).

And again, how can the federal government disrupt the enforcement of its own law if the State government has jurisdiction over it?

How can the feds disrupt?  So you are not the only one confused.  You would think the feds (who have the Border Guard plus the FBI) would welcome local law enforcement assistance, and in most cases they do.  But this is not about the law (it is in black and white), but Politics.  The Obama administration is playing the race card for its own political gains, nothing more.  So yes, the feds are objecting to states doing their jobs.  And the feds are not doing their job.

The feds have jurisdiction to enforce federal laws in all states.  There just is not enough of them so they rely on the state constabulary to do most of the work.  The crimes will be prosecuted in federal courts, not state, but it does not matter if Smokey The Bear arrests you or the G-Men.  The crime is the same.

on Apr 27, 2010

ChuckCS
because the Federal Gov't is not enforcing the law

Edit previous response: What he said (Charles-in-Charge).  he explained it better.

on Apr 27, 2010

The (apparently unrecognized) irony in this is just breathtaking.

Duh!  Doh!

on Apr 27, 2010

This is rapidly becoming the new 'third rail' for a bunch of apparently-scared-shitless Republicans.  Ah, well.  Gotta love identity politics, driven by the hysteria-loving media as it is.

on Apr 27, 2010

But the thing is, if policemen can ask anyone for their immigration paper, what if that person happens not to have them on hand? Of if he isn't even an immigrant, he is just somebody born in the U.S.. Does that person has to carry around his paper at all time just not to get arrested?

Once arrested a background check is done through the NCIC computer data base. Finding out if the person is American born is not that hard thanks to DHS. A simple check of your SSN and we can pull up your entire life. The problem is that so called "open cities" make it easier for criminals to live and thrive in the US. In those cities if I get popped for say selling drugs and hint that I might be illegal then in a lot of cases I get the minimum and sent on my way. Whereas American citizens would go to jail. That is discrimination!

on Apr 28, 2010

In those cities if I get popped for say selling drugs and hint that I might be illegal then in a lot of cases I get the minimum and sent on my way. Whereas American citizens would go to jail. That is discrimination!

Don't confuse the race baiters with the facts!  It makes them flustered.

on Apr 28, 2010

Once arrested a background check is done through the NCIC computer data base. Finding out if the person is American born is not that hard thanks to DHS. A simple check of your SSN and we can pull up your entire life.

Again, that is State authorities' responsibilities to enforce among their own policement the checkup of everybody arrested. I don't mind that, you gotta know who is the arrested person.

Seems to me the legislation will allow policemen to do this to people other than those who are arrested.

When you get pulled over and asked for your paper, it's because you are driving a car. Driving a car in an inrhently (?) dangerous activity that might cause harm to you or the people around you if you are not careful. This is why we disallow people from going too fast. Or driving and drinking. Or some people are 100% disallowed to drive, period.

But there ain't any danger related to the activity of... well, you know, being. Can a policemen simply ask me for my paper while walking down the streets?

on Apr 28, 2010

But there ain't any danger related to the activity of... well, you know, being. Can a policemen simply ask me for my paper while walking down the streets?

No.  Pure & simple, no.

Any cop who wants to abuse his authority can do so.  Could do so before this law was passed.  If caught abusing his authority, however, he loses his job (or worse).  I can think of at least half a dozen cops fired &/or prosecuted for abuse of authority of some sort in the past 10 years in metro Phoenix.

So far, all the panic about this law has been over hypothetical fear based on false assumptions.  Then there's the pathetic political pandering going on which, like bad cops, will never completely go away.

But a bunch of illegal immigrants just might go away now, or not come here in the first place.

on Apr 28, 2010

So far, all the panic about this law has been over hypothetical fear based on false assumptions.

Obama is doing a wonderful job at this by putting "fear" into peoples minds over this bill. It's amazing how people will bitch about "fear tactics" but will ignore them when their own party uses them. Obama is praying on the concept of "this might happen" as a way to insult the Arizona local Gov't for basically making him look bad because, as has been pointed out, this bill was passed because the Federal Gov't did nothing to fix this problem.

But there ain't any danger related to the activity of... well, you know, being. Can a policemen simply ask me for my paper while walking down the streets?

Do you consider people crossing into our country from, say, Mexico without going thru the proper channels illegal? If so, please explain how you would not want to go after someone who is obviously breaking the law? Also explain how you could find out if someone did break the law without asking for some form of identification?

Do you think it's some form of discrimination only because those being questioned are Hispanics when the ones crossing the border illegally thru Arizona are likely to be Hispanics since Mexico and South American are Hispanic nations for the most part?

I would simply like to hear a decent solution of how to catch a criminal (because breaking a law makes you a criminal technically) that can only be found if questioned without inconveniencing the innocent.

on Apr 28, 2010

A little perspective.

on Apr 28, 2010

Daiwa, so the Obama administration has already passed a law requiring people to prove their citizenship... So I wonder how Obama supporters justify the contradiction with the Arizona law?

on Apr 28, 2010

We're Nazi's, they're not.  That's how.

on Apr 28, 2010

Now that I have read the language of the law, I support it.  In fact, reading it pretty much dispells all the arugments against it.

"For any lawful contact made by a law enforcement official or a law enforcement agency of this state or a law enforcement official or a law enforcement agency of a county, city, town or other political subdivision of this state where reasonable suspicion exists that the person is an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States, a reasonable attempt shall be made, when practicable, to determine the immigration status of the person, except if the determination may hinder or obstruct an investigation."

"A law enforcement official or agency of this state or a county, city, town or other political subdivision of this state may not solely consider race, color or national origin in implementing the requirements of this subsection except to the extent permitted by the United States or Arizona Constitution."

 

http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2R/bills/SB1070S.pdf

on Apr 28, 2010

A little perspective.

damn!  I was going to make that point.

Foiled again by Quicks Draw Daiwa!

But I will add - The Obama administration is forcing EVERY American to produce papers.  For no reason what-so-ever.  Every American is required to prove proof of Insurance, without probably cause.

And the idiot race baiters are crying about depriving criminals of their miranda rights?  Obama already did - TO ALL AMERICANS!

on Apr 28, 2010

Instead of the 'Stop the Hate' signs we need some 'Stop the Hysterical Bullshit' signs.

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