Spot on AD. Just remember someones got to say "Well Bush did...." for this administration to function properly. I thought the first thing they where going to do was "erase every vestige of the Bush years" when they got in office. We get more Bush now than 2000-2008.

Yes they were released ... by the Bush administration.

Closing Gitmo does not mean that anyone intends to release “these people”.

Get your conspiracy theories straight. The ludicrous claim is that Obama was born in Kenya not Nigeria. Look at a map, Nigeria is 2400 miles away from Kenya.

It took Obama 3 days to address this … precisely 3 days *sooner* than it took Bush to address the nation about Richard Reid the “shoe bomber”.

You mean like Bush had full knowledge of a CIA report along with other intelligence community reports warning of an imminent attack by Al Qaeda prior to 9/11 but did nothing?

In case you don't remember there was a major plot that was *not* foiled during Bush's Administration. That would be 9/11 itself.

Is this why both Richard Reid and Zacarias Musawi were tried in criminal court by the Bush administration?

Then you must be very relaxed.

Get a clue, you don't need to come from the same country to have an inside man, two "God Damn America" supporters work just as well together. Clever attempt to label the poster as a "bither" (Isn't that one of your fav's) though, but it sure explains why you believe, then parrot the first words out of the likes of the Huffington Post and MSNBC. So great insight there.

Nice redirection of the post to suit your agenda! The DNC would be so proud!!! But that's right Liberals don't believe there is a war, just man-made disasters. Obama's just waiting to drop some hope and change on the Taliban, and they will just fall in love with him. Liberals just want to make sure these poor misguided souls get a nice fair $$$$ trial, right? After all the taxpayer has deep pockets! Plus, it's a nice payback to the trial lawyers.....follow the money LINK (anyone still wonder why we can't get tort reform? LOL). I wonder who is most beholding? Ooopsy. It's those naughty Democrats. Isn't their mantra down with the rich? They need to appoint more of them so we can collect the taxes they owe, not that they will do any time of course. I guess they just can't smell their own stink. That, or it's a big ol' show for the po folk (got em fooled good huh, sprinkle a few crumbs and they are eating out of your hand). But at least the taxpayers are getting a bargain on trying our own CIA men...only $75 million....sweet LINK. Wonder how much goes to the jury? Looked it up for ya... $40/day plus mileage LINK I guess they shouldn't quit their day job with that windfall for a months-on-end long circus.

BTW thanks for turning off troll mode after the news parody video.

Mumblefratz ~ If I may, a piece of advice: Take it from my experience, you're not going to get through to them; they've got their own version of the facts and are happy with their own little view of the world.

Happy New Year all!

 

~AJ

The Reid case had me somewhat relieved that nothing happened being that it was so close to 911 and the result of the Mousawi trial was an outrage. Bush didn't get everything right, but I don't think you or any other liberals are in the position to lecture anyone about this cause you want to expand and build on these failed and bogus policies offering even more constitutional protections for combatants, even those captured on foreign battlefields.

Thanks for the advice but after close to 4 years on various Stardock forums I'm already quite familiar with the prevailing attitudes here on JU.

However *everyone* has their own biases and you're never going to change anyone's worldview. The only difference between them and us is that we will at least admit our biases, whereas they prefer to delude themselves into believing that they have no biases and that they are right in all things.

I'm not arguing with anyone per se, I'm merely presenting the other side of the argument on the off chance that there may be someone reading the thread that actually has an open mind on the subject. Otherwise arguing is pointless.

Actually you have absolutely no idea what *I* think on this matter. To imply that you do is simply putting words in my mouth and incorrect words at that.

The only thing I've done is to point out the hypocrisy of various complaints that have been made against Obama's handling of an event by comparing them to virtually identical situations where Bush has done the same or worse and received no complaint. Period.

Mr.Know it all cant get a clue.  He is clueless and humorless.  At least AJ was not as stupid as MF (oops!  There goes that explictive deleted again) as he did see the link.  But of course Mr know it all knows everything so there must be no link.

For the record, the link is simpler than that.  As they are supposed to be "African Americams" the commonallities are AFRICA and AMERICA.

But of course that cant be right.  Even though it was I who penned the comment, I want to know what I meant Mr. Know it all. Please enlighten us.

I don't really see the hypocrisy. These events you mention occur in the time frame of 911 and this new event is almost a decade later. Here you have this guy who was denied a Visa in the UK, was on a Gov watchlist, Islamic, pacing nervously, one way ticket, paid in cash, his father desperatley trying to warn official that his son was radical... how is this catastrophic breakdown almost a decadse later even remotley like Richard Reid and Zacharias Mousaui?

Actually it is you that is the know it all.

However I will admit that between the two of us we do in fact possess the sum of all knowledge.

You seem to know everything there is to know except that you’re an asshole, and I know that.

Just wanted to mention that I wasn't intending to discredit your experience or intelligence. I too have spent over four years here and have learned a few things. Some of them I have a hard time applying though, lol.

 

 

 

No doubt, but one would think that any rational human being would be able to admit the other side's argument. Alas, that hasn't been true (for the most part) here.

 

 

We can only hope to find that person, right?

 

Yep, that's pretty much it.

 

Well to be honest, it feels like those types of people are an endangered species. It seems most people are quite content to live in their own little, albeit delusional and novacane based, bubbles.

Happy New Year, ~AldericJourdain

Nitro, HA!  I know who you're referencing.

 

As for Bush and information that he received what was he suppose to do? People knew that the attack was going to happen.  The questions were when and how?

Can also look at Clinton.  He had 2 OPPORTUNITIES take down a plane that was carrying OBL.  Point fingers doesn't get us anywhere.  I mean we can point fingers all day and all that'll get us is us standing there and pointing fingers are each other.

My thought about terrorist is: it doesn't matter what technology we use to prevent them or against them its not going to work ALL the time. 

Hate is usually illogical.  Then when you top on the fact that people are willing to sacrifice themselves and others (usually innocent) lives for their cause. 

Most people in the West wouldn't die for any cause because we're too materialistic and self focus.

Go over to DU. You won't have to look far to find others with your worldview....since it distresses you so much. Now dry your eyes, put your big boy shoes on, and go out and play.

Ah, and theres the rub. Only persons in total agreement with your view are "open minded" enough for you. If we wanted your band of crazy we'd all be over at DU, now wouldn't we? Yet somehow you feel you need to be the self appointed missionaries, compelled to spread the "religion" to the natives. Gee thanks, but no thanks. You have to learn that when you, Obama's witnesses, go door to door your message isn't as popular as it is with the rest of the true believers. Crying about no one willing to hear your sermon, just doesn't help your efforts much. I'm sure your messiah appreciates your martyrdom though. (you learn well from the institutions you vilify, I'll give you that). Just go say 5 "Our Congressional Majority's" and 6 "Hail Barry's", watch "An Inconvenient Truth" and all will be right in your world. LIL 

Now please return to your mutual, self righteous, self gratifying camaraderie and don't skimp, I find it amusingly entertaining.