Not always true my friend. I interviewed a history student at Todi University in Japan. He was shocked to hear from me that there was a war with the United States and they lost. Only post grad history majors get this information. The rest of the country is kept ignorant. Think about the two bombs dropped on their country and how that is kept out of sight except on the anniversary and then it is quickly put away. The Japanese people know about it but few remember who did it and why.

I read from mid-east perspectives as well along with others.  I know that in Saudi Arabia they are still taught the the US is evil, and I do understand that these sects in Iraq have been fighting for thousands of years.  So then why did we go there?  We failed to look at history as we usually do.  First it was that he had WMD's which we all found out wasnt true and we know that Bush was going in there  for sure as early as mid 2002.  Then once we were there(and of course after what we did could not just leave) Bush said well we have to build up this nation(funny he was the one who ripped Gore about nation building in the 2000 election, now he is all for it can you say flip flop).  Do you really think that once we get done they will all just be happy together?  I would say most likely no.  So at that point what was this whole war for?  We will have won very little and lost so much, most noteably the brave men and women who serve this nation.  What will Bush have lost, did his daughters serve?  Nieces or nephews?  Friends? But yet (at this point anyway) over 4000 families will never see loved ones again.  And people like my sister will have to live with war wounds for the rest of their lives.  All for so little because we couldnt read their history.

Mooseplow:

If you actually think that this was the only reason Prs. Bush gave in 2002 then you are not only NOT reading from a Middle Eastern perspective, you aren't reading at all. You are simply regurgitating the BS you gladly swallowed by the incompetent press.

Ok, so it's been several weeks since this proposal by Obama.  Has anyone heard him questioned about it?  Has anyone asked for clarificiation?

 

The answer is no. not even a whisper because to challenge him is racist.

This is what I was told by my president as to what was our main reason.  Of course he also told us that there was a link to al queda, and I know they went after his daddy in kuwait years before, and then their the oil, and the fact that he had to finish daddy's war.  Bottom line is that it wasnt the press putting the words about WMD's in Bush's mouth or Cheaney's or Powell's or Rumsfeld's.  I saw them actually say those words on TV.  Now if your saying thats not true then I would say you are a conspirisy  theorist, but I dont think you are.  So can we admit that WMD's were Bush's main reason?

 

P.S. Ted thanks for keeping the discussion professional, I enjoy those types of discussions rather than the name calling type. 

That is just ridiculous. Sounds like something to hide behind. Maybe it proves that people aren't as worried about this situation. I'd wager that the idea of forming such a force is a low priority of issues troubling this nation, and the people recognize it as such.

Yes I heard him talk about it, but I think you are saying it wrong, I think what Obama is proposing is " Civilian assistance corps"  He wants 25,000 volunteers, that have expertise like doc's, engineers, former military, emergency officials, etc.  That sort of thing in case of times of national disasters, like Katrina, or fires like in cal. they could be deployed to get assistance quickly to areas that need help.  Sounds like a good idea....Equip them well and its like a civilian rapid response group just like the Army has.

 

I would agree Kurtin I think Obama's main focus is on getting the economy going and health care, and Iraq.  Those are bigger fish to fry, but this civilian assistance corps sounds like a good idea.

I agree Kurtin I think the economy, health care, and getting out of Iraq are bigger, but its a nice idea.

sorry for the double post:)...computer was acting funny.

Mooseplow:

Not it doesn't. What he's talking about is a federal para-military organization. It is unconstitutional and against federal Posse Comitatus laws. The president of the united states is not granted the authority to raise his own defense force. This is just another example of the contempt Obama has for the US Constitution. For that matter, your support for it shows your contempt also.

There are already plenty of emergency and disaster response organizations in the US. They work very well when they are utilized. The problems with Hurricane Katrina had nothing to do with ability or readiness of disaster relief organizations. They had everything to do with those idiots Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin's failures to act.

Once again, you're comments prove that you would rather be spoon fed by the incompetent press than learn a few things for yourself.

NP, double posts happen.

And your information comes from where?  Unless you are able to be in all these places yourself you are getting info from tv, internet, newspapers, etc.

If you guys also want to continue talking about the left leaning media, I have a good book fo ryou to read written bya big republican.  Its called "The Rebuplican Noisemaker."  Check it out.  These are words and ideas written by a insider republican.

I'm sure Mooseplow has been to the Obama website and read the collective plans himself. Just because someone supports a cause for the democratic party doesn't mean they were taught such a way by the media. Perhaps you should go to the sites of both candidates as an informed American and understand what the two camps are both saying at any given time from their own perspectives.