Kurtin:

Sadly, you're right. I think it was Cactoblasta who said that most Americans aren't choosing a leader, they are choosing a winner... It seems they look at their right to vote as little more than participation in the "reality show" "So You Want to Be President". Even more sad is the number of Americans who don't know the difference.



I'm not talking about his actions as a candidate (at least not in this part), I'm talking about the man, Barack Obama. He's had ample opportunity to act on every issue he claims to care about. We don't need a campaign soundbite to know what he's about, we have his record... and it speaks for itself.

Um....no.  You are talking about something completely different.

Read his direct quotes (and the video) specifically, he is not talking about a Peace Corps type thing.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/015/386abhgm.asp?pg=1

This is a projection of your own beliefs and prejudices rather than an actual act of racism. Just because you choose to see the statement as racist does not make it so. I see it as him pointing out that the stated beliefs and goals of his church that the continent of Africa is where their allegiance and support should go rather than America. Why would we want to elect a person who does not believe that his first allegiance should be and is to America rather than a continent? It is neither religiously sound as a Christian or as an American. Instead of questioning this strange belief you call it racist and ignore the fact that he does not hold the country he wants to run and lead in high regard.



I would love to but since the events are over all that is shown is what he did not what his plans were. Now if you were reading the papers you would have seen it mentioned that his schedule included being with the troops all the way up until he cancelled it. But I guess press reports can’t be believed and all the mentions of his sudden schedule change mean nothing. Most of his schedule like all politicians schedules are sent to the press. why don't you inquire of them?



Please provide the “snag” that caused him to cancel that part of his trip.



This is the part the burns me, you read something and without checking it out assume racism, negativity and a host of other ingrained beliefs of YOURS and attributed them to the author. You accused the author of being racist without even checking into the validity of his statement or the context. There is a word for that, it is called prejudice. You chose to be offended and when called on it had to apologize for your slander.

Yet out of the other end we hear he has no record because hes only been in the senate 2 years, you guys cant have it both ways either he doesnt have a record to stand or he does, but dont say both are right.

 

I would just like to say I am not some little boy who needs to be taught and lectured on matters.  I have my opinions and just because I get facts from someplace you dont like or agree with doesnt mean its not the "right" history.  You guys rag about the "liberal media" yet the media is so overwhelmed by conservatives its not even funny.  By the way have you guys heard of Defamation?  That is things such as libel and slander.  Both of these things people can sue you for.  Libel being written word or images that defame and slander being spoken word.  If all these accusations that are on the liberal media are so false then why are there not tens of thousands of lawsuits, maybe because there is truth in them.....yes maybe a slant towards what the writer is trying to say but still factual.

 

Mooseplow:


That's the point, in 2 years in the Senate he has never once championed a single issue. I don't like Hillary a bit, but at least she has accomplished a few things in her time on the hill. Even if we go back to his days in Illinois State government, there is still no real record of accomplishments.

So far all we see is a guy who is awesome when reading a speech. I give him a lot of credit for that because I know it isn't an easy thing to do. However, the president of the United States doesn't bring a teleprompter with him when meeting and negotiating with foriegn leaders. He says he's willing to meet with even our nations enemies without conditions, yet he won't even meet with American citizens or wounded US troops without conditions.



I demonstrated to you how incompetent the press is on a matter you brought up, yet you ignored it like I never pointed it out. You are free to disagree with me all you want, but if you are going to tell me I'm wrong, back it up with at least as much in your rebuttal as I offered in mine.



Apparenlty your woefully ignorant on this point also.

Again, I waste my time offering links and quotes to you, but here goes...



This isn't from Rush Limbaugh, The Wall Street Journal or any other Conservative leaning organization, this is from Journalism.org. A website for, by and about the profession.



The basis for any libel or slander case is fact. It isn't libel to expose incompetent boobs for what they are. Again, I'll use Hurricane Katrina "reporting" as an example. They were too lazy to even check on stories before they reported rumors and outright lies. This is the definition of incompetence.

You can't sue for libel simply because the truth hurts.

If you want to be taken seriously by other bloggers, repond with a few thoughts of your own, in your own words, instead of repeating the tired soundbites you have littered the forums and blogs with here at JU.

Actually you are quite wrong he has been involved in some very serious issues just to name 3 off the top of my head.

1.)Coauthored a bill with a top republican to limit nuclear arms from getting into the wrong hands, and what to do if it does.  This bill also provides for helping russia get rid of their nuc stockpile

2.)Coauthored a ethics bill with Lugar that calls for government transparency.  This involves setting up a website were you and I can go to see what the government spends our tax money.

3.)Coauthored Avian flu bill.  This bill provides money for research to combat the disease and for fighting it in the field, this bill also provides for many other infectious diseases like AIDS, ebola, etc. 

 

Those  are 3 huge bills if you look at our recent history and what they protect and are trying to protect.

Please read "The Republican Noise Maker"

Not to mention who owns the airwaves with talk shows, who owns fox, who owns print material.  Not liberals.  Sure I guess we got CNN, and to some extent nbc but everything else is advantage conservative.

I must have missed it can you refresh me, I am going on 4-5 hours of sleep a night:)

Or just become a conservative and then you will...Every argument you made about news, and history I could say the same exact thing to you.  Your reading the wrong stuff...how do you know you are oh so right and I am oh so wrong?

Mooseplow:

Ok, I stand corrected, Obama has sponsored a few things while in the senate.

Now let's talk about whether or not they are "huge" or even "important"...

It is already illegal to sell or misappropriate nuclear arms, so what good did sponsoring another law do? As much as it must pain Obama and Lugar to realize, nothing they pass binds Russia (or any other country) to their will. This wouldn't be an example of a "huge" bill, this would be an example of reinventing the wheel at best and meaningless posturing at worst. What next, he'll co-sponsor a bill banning the hunting of Tse Tse flies in Africa?

Ooooh, he co-sponsored a government website! Wow how 90s of him.

Bird flu? Do the good Senators realize that Avian Influenca A/(H5N1) has claimed exactly (drum roll in an attempt to make it more dramatic...)... 385 people in 5 years! I'm so-o-o-o-o-o-o glad to hear that Obama cares so much about such a pandemic.

What will they tackle next, the dreaded and deadly, Digitogenic Hemorrhagic Rinorrhea?

Hopefully you can do better in defending your exalted one than this!

Once again, tired old rhetoric straight out of the Democrat Underground. I offer you links and facts, you offer tripe that can only be backed up with some variation of "they wouldn't do that!"



In the immortal words of Richie Cunningham (Happy Days).. Wrong again bucko!

The truth is, there are several left leaning bloggers here at JU who I respect a lot. Sure, we disagree, we bicker and argue and even name call at times... but we also have great discussions about all sorts of stuff. If I had the chance to meet them in person, I would gladly do it.



::ats Mooseplow on the head::: This one here is just childish. Did I just make an argument about history based on nothing but what I read in the papers or heard on the news? Nope. Did you ever even try to rebut my points about the incompetent press during Hurricane Katrina and/or Rita? Nope.

Did you even address any of my points other than the meaningless and time wasting bills that Obama co-sponsored? Nope.

So far, I've given you detailed explanations and cited my sources. Except for the three bills, all you have done is retorted with the intellectual equivelent of "uh uh!".

If you can rebut my assertions about the press intelligently, oh please do... Give me examples, events or even some of your own experiences. If you can show that I was wrong in my assertions, I'll gladly admit to being wrong.




Island Dog: Sorry for hijacking your thread here. I just got caught up in the hope that Mooseplow would rise to the occasion as other left leaning bloggers have done before here at JU.

Okay you are about 28 years old. You have no understanding of the libel laws in this country. In order to prove libel you have to prove malice. You can’t claim malice you have to prove it in a court of law. You have to be able to prove the liberal press with forethought and malice said something untrue. If it comes close to that like with the president being a draft dodger as reported by CBS, they got rid of Dan Rather and apologized, this protects them from libel. The news papers print something bad about someone on page one and retract it five days later on page 22 they can’t be sued. If the person is a public figure then the laws are even harder to prove libel.

If they print a lie about you as a private citizen you can sue and most likely win. If they go after a public figure, lies are permitted to some extent. Rent the movie “Absence of malice” see what can be done and said to public figures and no apology made.

Are you learning these words as you write them?

Because I lived during those times and watched it happen. I worked for President Clinton, President Reagan, President Bush, and President Clinton, and now for President Bush. I was an adult when the Shah was taken out of office. I was part of the teams sent out to hunt down terrorist for Mr. Reagan and Mr. Bush. I was doing the same thing for Mr. Clinton until he did away with the program. And now I am a consultant to Homeland on anti-terror. Been there done that and got the keychain to prove it. You read some books written by people with political agendas that cut and paste their way to some version of the truth that does not match history.

How many times have you had to change the meaning of Senator Obama in order to try to make his statements seem okay?



The federal government owns the airwaves. People get a license to use those airwaves. The programming that is on them is dictated by the listeners. If the show is popular it gets advertising money if it is unpopular it goes off the air. Look at Air America, five billionaires funded it but not one of them bought advertising on the network. Now if you want to listen to the show you have to listen on the net. The program was so bad they had to pay the stations to put them on the air. And no one would spend advertising dollars and associate themselves with the show. Esurance.com the founder of the company dumped several million dollars into Air America and so did Mr. Soros and a host of other liberal left wing billionaires.

Rush Limbaugh on the other hand just signed a contract for 4 years, he is being paid 400 million dollars for that contract. Why is that? Because advertisers buy ad time on his show. He is on 3 hours a day 5 days a week against Air America with 24 hour programming. He makes more money than Air America because he reaches his audience and people like him. He started with one station and now is on 600. Air America started with three stations and is on the internet. The rich don’t own the airwaves, the public does and they listen to what they like. Just because your side lost each time they went up against Rush does not mean that they are forced out of the market it means they don’t appeal to any large group of people.