Obama Proposes "National Security Force"

And the Media Ignores It

Published on July 21, 2008 By Island Dog In Democrat

There is just so much to this story, and it really proves how the media is completely backing Obama. At a speech in Colorado Springs on July 2nd, Barack Hussein Obama made this statement...

"We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."

Of course Obama never gives specifics, but this is an extraordinary statement. First let me say, can you imagine what the left and the media would be saying if McCain said anything like this? However, when Obama says it.....nothing.....nothing at all.

In fact, only a few newspapers printed the transcripts of the speech, but the transcripts don't match the video of the speech. So did the media just print a copy of the speech provided by the Obama camp, or are they just ignoring the drastic additions made to this speech? Either way it's a disgrace, as Obama's notion of a civilian "security force" has not been challenged by any media organization.

Of course the main source of this information is blogs, which in this election will be our only reliable source of information about the "real" Obama. Wouldn't you think the media should ask some serious questions about this? Obviously, the Obama fan brigade is labeling this as a Peace Corps type thing. Sorry, but "national security force" that is "just about powerful" as our military is not the same as a Peace Corps.

Comments (Page 3)

Dr Guy

on Aug 05, 2008

and, to some extent, Fascism and Nazism.

Actually, they are more left in practice. As both have Socialism as their core.

That sounds like something our current administration would do, and has done, manipulate the constitution for thier own gain.

No. But the left has tried (and suceeded). You might want to point out where mandatory seat belts is enumerated in the constitution. Also where not having Health insurance is a crime in the constitution.

The left sees the intentions, not the results. if THEIR intentions are good, then the law must be good, no matter how unconstitutional it is. Looking back over the last 70 years, every right that we have given up has been in the name of good intentions. And the left has not only not demonstrated against that abrogation of rights, but rallied for the abrogation!

ParaTed2k

on Aug 05, 2008

That sounds like something our current administration would do, and has done, manipulate the constitution for thier own gain.

Yawn.

Mooseplow

on Aug 05, 2008

That sounds like something our current administration would do, and has done, manipulate the constitution for thier own gain.

Please explain what you mean here. Give examples if you can.

Wire taping illegally I think that's probably the best one and it leads to some many other things in the name of national security.

Mooseplow

on Aug 05, 2008

Funny how facts can be twisted. You think the hoods/insurgents/Iranians weren't paying Iraqis to perpetuate the violence? Once the Iraqis had a choice of payrolls to be on, look whose they chose. Whatever you choose to call it, the change in tactics and the additional boots on the ground "worked" whether you will concede it or not.

Our boots on the grouund have always done a great job there...my point was that the troop surge didnt work the "Money Surge" worked. So why doesnt Bush just come out and say we paid them off? I dont have a problem with that but when he twists what really happend Ido.

Mooseplow

on Aug 05, 2008

He undertook a massive 30% tax cut allowing more Americans to have more money. In a sense he gave us all a pay raise. Because President Carter had cut the military budget so badly we could not fight a war or rescue hostages, the next thing was to rebuild the military and pay them. (Personal experience, one of my corporals was married and living on base, because he was in the military he is forbidden to hold another job. The only way he could feed his family was to apply and receive welfare. Think of it you are a government employee and you are eligible for welfare and food stamps!) (Personal experience, the budget was slashed so badly by Mr. Carter ( a man I voted for the first time) we were only allowed one tank of gas per vehicle per month. We were only allowed 20 rounds of blank ammunition per man per month for training. An M-16 A-1 rifle magazine holds 28 rounds of ammunition and fires at a rate of 700 rounds per minute. Live ammunition was so scarce that we only had enough money for our yearly requalification roughly three hundred rounds per year per man plus what we used on guard duty. We did not have enough money in the budget for cleaning supplies and was forced to buy our own toilet paper, and we had to chip in to buy floor cleaner and comet.) This was the thanks from a grateful nation for our service. Just to get our military up and running we needed massive funding because for those four years of Mr. Carter we did not buy replenishment and replacement parts as needed so our equipment was falling apart. There were times there was not enough money in the budget to repair water heaters so in the winter time I had to take cold showers, and some days the heater went out so the barracks was not much warmer than it was outside. Our military was rotting from the inside out. Then the hostage crisis occurred and the American people that cheered our budget cuts demanded we go in and get our people out of Iran by force. The disastrous results are history

Ok I wont disagree with you that Carter was not very good with the military, infact I dont disagree with anything you said here save maybe that there is also blame to go around to the generals who planned the rescue the whole plan was ot good and had little chance of success. I will also say that yes the wealthy being taxed at 75 % was pretty excessive. I think a reasonable amount would be 35-40%. Would you have a problem with that, say for example I won the lottery and took home 100 million before taxes do you think I would care if after taxes I got 65 million or 60 million? I can tell you most of us wouldnt care. Dont forget rich folks get other advantages as well like with the Social security tax. I mean seriously is it fair that I have to pay taxes for SS on 100% of my earnings and people making a million a year on ly have to pay SS taxes on less than 10%?

Mooseplow

on Aug 05, 2008

President Bush’s opponents whine about the record unemployment of 4.9% that has gone all the way up to 5.7% while forgetting that the lowest President Clinton had was 5.8% and it was touted as the lowest unemployment in history.

Unemployment numbers are always misleading....They dont count the number of people that have expire off the rolls.

Mooseplow

on Aug 05, 2008

You now have to take ethics again because we stopped teaching it and the reason for teaching the class slapped us in the face 20 years later when those kids became business leaders with no ethical or moral compass.

All I can say about this is that where I work supervisors have to take these classes and they dont work. I have been a Shop Steward for several years and I can tell you without a doubt that there is not one supervisor that I have come across that will tell you the truth. I have time and time again caught the comapy lying, and the same people do it over and over again. If I as an employee were to do it and get caught even just once with it never in my record before I would immediately be discharged. So I think we may want to look at another path or hold all people to the same standard.

Mooseplow

on Aug 05, 2008

Please tell me how we have not confronted our mistakes.

Not saying that we have not, what I am saying is that everyone rags on Obama because he mentions that we have done some bad things, well its true. Lets not rag on the guy about it. Bush has admitted mistakes as have most presidents and nominees, why do we treat Obama different was what I was saying.

ParaTed2k

on Aug 05, 2008

Everyone rags on Obama because he is a Marxist fool who is on the take. Everyone rags on Obama because he isn't worth taking seriously. The ONLY reason he is the Democrat nominee is the same reason any democrat wins the nomination... the press chose him.

ParaTed2k

on Aug 05, 2008

Wire taping illegally I think that's probably the best one and it leads to some many other things in the name of national security.

And yet a Democrat congress not only found that he didn't break any laws there, they passed laws supporting his position.

Next!

Dr Guy

on Aug 05, 2008

Unemployment numbers are always misleading....They dont count the number of people that have expire off the rolls.

They dont count a lot of things, but that is a red herring. There are always people that have quit looking. YOu have to agree on a yard stick and stay with it. Doing the big BUT only makes your argument weaker.

Paladin77

on Aug 05, 2008

Wire taping illegally I think that's probably the best one and it leads to some many other things in the name of national security.

You mean wire tapping, that has been done by our government since 1925 illegally, is all the fault of the Bush Administration? Forget the wire tapping done by President Kennedy and Attorney General Kennedy to smear political opponents such as Vice President Richard Nixon.

The illegal wire taps of President Johnson as ordered by Attorney General Kennedy.

The illegal wire taps of President Nixon who was just doing what the other president did.

You mean the illegal wire taps of President Carter.

You mean the illegal wire taps of Presidents Reagan and Bush? Oh wait there were never any allegations of this attributed to these presidents.

You mean the illegal wire taps of President Clinton, who expanded this to reading all of your E-mail?

But all of a sudden we have the current president of the United States tapping terrorists not Americans it is a bad thing. I have a hard time believing this do you have any examples of this?

my point was that the troop surge didnt work the "Money Surge" worked. So why doesnt Bush just come out and say we paid them off? I dont have a problem with that but when he twists what really happend Ido.

And just how did you get this secret information of the payoffs? Could it be that you got it from the news? If that is the case then it is not a secret is it. Having worked in the area many years ago I know that it is just the way business is done. The great revelation you are disclosing is of the same shocking news value as the revelation that we pay income taxes.

If I as an employee were to do it and get caught even just once with it never in my record before I would immediately be discharged. So I think we may want to look at another path or hold all people to the same standard.

So after more than 20 years of not teaching ethics you expect that just because people take a few classes that the classes will instantly change the way people are? How many times have you read the truth about something and ignored it because it goes against your beliefs on the topic?

I dont disagree with anything you said here save maybe that there is also blame to go around to the generals who planned the rescue the whole plan was ot good and had little chance of success.

I was on the planning staff for the rescue of hostages in Iran because my unit was supposed to be the first in if we used the Marine plan, I helped write the marine plan (as a minor player). Five plans were presented to the President. His advisors chose the one that was most politically correct rather than the one that had the best chance of success. The problem with liberals is that they don’t trust the Generals so they try to run the show even when they don’t know what they are doing. Look at Vietnam the war was run by President Johnson. The same was done with the hostage crisis. The Gulf war President Bush told the generals what he wanted and let them do it. In the war on terror President Bush did as he father did. See the difference in results.

what I am saying is that everyone rags on Obama because he mentions that we have done some bad things, well its true. Lets not rag on the guy about it.

The senator is beating a dead horse. The problems have been remedied why keep bringing them up again and again? The President of the United States is supposed to be the figurehead for the nation. The leader of our people and commander in Chief of our military. The last thing people need is to have that person rehashing our mistakes of the past rubbing our noses in crap we had nothing to do with. Did you discriminate against people? Did you lynch anyone? Do you know anyone who does? We have not openly lynched anyone since we got the democrats out of power.

The last poll taken showed that only 8% of the nation will not vote for Senator Obama because of his race. Where is the problem?

And yet a Democrat congress not only found that he didn't break any laws there, they passed laws supporting his position.

Please don’t confuse the issue with fact and or logic.

Mooseplow

on Aug 05, 2008

Hmm, one 'arse', one 'bitching', and one 'asses.' So it's the use of 'bitching' that's gotten you so upset? Good grief, you need to grow a thicker skin and quit being such a pussy if you're going to survive around here for long, you pathetic little whiner. You aren't my mother. You aren't the author of this thread, either, and if anyone has the right to chastise another contributor on this thread it would be the thread's author, Island Dog. If you must BITCH about it, I'd suggest you take it up with an Administrator, but since I've used the word even in the titles of some of my articles here, (most notably an article comparing the use of the word 'Bitch' to that of 'Nigger.' Admins asked me to remove the dreaded N word from the title, but let 'Bitch' stand....which was entirely my point, but I digress) but they'd probably tell you to quit BITCHING about such petty use of mild profanity and get on with the business of promoting your boy, B. Hussein Obama. After all, he's now stooped so low as to try to BUY votes by promising a nice $1000 check for every 'poor person' in America, taken straight out of the evil oil companies' pockets. He's conveniently forgotten to mention that those same wicked oil companies will simply pass this additional punitive tax on to the consumer, the very 'poor' that B. Hussein Osama (oops, Obama) is currently duping with these silly ploys. knowing they'll probably just spend it on crack or malt liquor anyway and are too stupid to comprehend any consequence beyond that. To sum it up, Mooseplow, quit yer bitching about my use of the word bitching, I don't give two squirts of owl shit what you think of me or my contributions here, I've been around these pages for years and I've paid my dues...yours are on the way yet, and they're going to be rather steep if you make a practice of chiding others on their choice of words. I don't like it, and neither does anyone else. Pitch a bitch to Admin or stfu about it already. *Pardon the momentary hijack, Island Dog, but since he's posted several times about it, I felt it deserved a response.

It is your attitude and your laguage, and I have every right to fight for what I believe to be right. Asking someone to act like an adult isnt out of line and isnt complaining. I mean god forbid I try to have a civil discussion here at a higher level than that of a first grader who just learned how to swear and insult people and does it just because they want to feel power over someone else. That is why you do it.....you think it gives you power when all it does is make you look childish. So go on and have your little rants as a child as from this moment on I will no longer read or respond to a person who lowers the grade that much.

Mooseplow

on Aug 05, 2008

So then why dont they just say it?

Mooseplow

on Aug 05, 2008

These classes have been ongoing at UPS for the last 13 years, I have been there over 15, and they have to go every quarter. So its hardly a few.

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