Bingo! Who (with a very few, vocal exceptions) cannot appreciate a person that is not just happy or content to be an American, but is GRATEFUL? That in of itself goes a long way in absolving Beck's sometimes goofiness or over the top antics. He makes one feel that he is sincere. I also like his push on restoring lost history. We cannot go forward without knowing where we came from. 

I love his sarcastic wit!  But if he does get too preachy (religious), I think that will turn off his base as he is a conservative first (He is one that never hesitated to bash Bush back during his Presidency - he is a conservative, not a republican).  And yes, he is a very hard core patriot.

Me too. Beck wouldn't be Beck without it.

Most definitely. His sincerity goes into the heart department as well. He makes a big thing of fatherhood and family and rightly so.  His old-fashioned patriotism, jovial, harmless sarcastic wit, sincerity and love of family are all part of genuine character that says much about the man and I think explains why he is so hated by Leftists. Just as Mrs.Sarah Palin is. 

The secular Humanists in the Left, in other words, the forces that are making for the total destruction of our so called Judeo/Christian culture want nothing to do with these core values and principles.

I agree. His religious preachiness turns me off, but then again I'm not part of his base and he's not my leader, religious or otherwise in any way, shape or form. 

Beck's message of old fashioned patriotism is one thing and there are some good American principles that should be defended, shuld be rediscovered and should be re-affirmed. America can be re-converted on its own principles.

However, ONCE/IF America turns to religious nationalism then we are in trouble because the idea of one religion being as good as another is a false principle and societies don't survive on false principles.

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Bull-freaking-hokey. That's utter nonsense Lula. You know why? Because *I* am a secular humanist, and a liberal, and I believe in family, wit, love, and so on. I may not attribute them to a God, or a religion, but I do sincerely believe in them, as do many, many others I know who are also secular, humanist, and left wing. Time and again, in my experience, most support these things. Not always in the same way or fashion, but they do. 

It's unfortunate really, that you have to delude yourself with such nonsense. Do you really think I feel that all right wing religious people are nut jobs? No, of course not. Do I believe they're out to get me? No. Point is, why go off of a stereotype that isn't accurate? It's a fallacious generalization; society is much more complex than the little boxes you or I may put it in. 

So, why don't you try getting to know us secular humanist left wingers, before you start making judgments. Many of us are pretty chill (nice) people. Heck, If we ever were to meet, I'd gladly go have coffee with you (if that is your thing). 

Naturally, I'd ask that the topic stay away from religion.     

Best. 

~L

"As good as another" - Mind clarifying?

Lula posts:

I think what I said is accurate.

You see the core values and principles I am talking about here are those based on God's rules and Christian morals and ethics. 

Secular humanists (I'll call Worldlings) reject the rule of God which regards all human life from conception to natural death, as being valuable because He created it in His image and likeness. But secular humanistic man destroys human life by the millions by abortion, euthanasia and embryo-killing research.  God  ordained the natural family as the nurturing place of future generations, but secular humanistic man proposes that government replace the family and usurp parental rights. 

God ordained distinctive appearances and roles for the sexes, but secular humanists try to obliterate those distinctions. God instituted sex to be used within the male-female marital bond, but secular humanists pervert sex through pornography, fornication, adultery and homosexuality. 

Secular humanists have faith in man and in the world. They teach through the process of evolution man is moving toward Utopia.

God declares that the fear of the Lord is the starting point of wisdom, but Worldlings forbid any reference to God in the classrooms. God instituted moral absolutes to govern man, but Worldlings say that utopia can come only through the rejection of these absolutes. Look around.   Instead of ruling the world in an orderly meaningful way, Worldlings bring disorder, instability and chaos. The world is shaken by wars and threats of war. OUr Streets are filled with violence and crime.Economies become uncontrollable. Worldlings have bruised every institution that which have given society order, stability and direction.