Double post, damn forumns are buggy

No there aren't. Name one example of a DRM solution which is uncrackable and I guarantee you they haven't been cracked because nobody heard of the software they're supposed to protect and hence nobody is interested in pirating it.

DRM doesn't work - never will. You can't use high-level encryption methods with a product meant for public distribution and the only other way really is to lock the only existing copy in a vault somewhere. And throw away, no I tell a lie, disintegrate the key and then, depending on the popularity of the title, weld shut the doors and maybe set up a deadly booby trap for when the burglars get through.

Since this thread has turned into another pirate thread (hijackers!!!) I considered making my own thread about this wonderful game but in the spirit of trying to get this thread back on topic, I'll post here.

This is quite simply the BEST game I have played in quite awhile. In fact, it may be the game that finally gets me back into single-player only games. Let me explain: I played WoW for 3 and 1/2 years. I was addicted. I loved the feeling of levelling but also of showing off gear, experiences, etc. I loved being able to know that other people were adventuring around me and that I was part of an online human group battling it out against other humans and scripted events (Raids). I left WoW for good last November and since then it's been tough finding something to fill the void. And it IS a void. I picked up games like Sins of a Solar Empire, Gal Civ 2, King's Bounty, all of which brought me back to the realization that in the end I'm just battling it out against the computer, fun for awhile but where's the reward? I picked up Demigod and was enthralled for a bit and it is still fun but gameplay has started to become stale for me.

Before WoW I was STRICTLY a singleplayer gamer. I had games like Call of Duty, Battlefield 1942, Neverwinter Nights. But I would play them ALL singleplayer only. Online play didn't interest me in the least until WoW came along.

I picked up Dawn of Discovery a week ago and man oh man am I hooked. Hooked way beyond anything I could have ever imagined. I'm playing against the computer but it doesn't 'feel' that way. It feels much more like I'm just out there exploring, building, governing. The game is easy to get into due to the campaign helping you along. What puts this game over the top for me above other games I've tried recently is 3 things:

Excellent campaign that really immerses you into the world
Voice acting for lots of the campaign
Simplicity of the Interface
Depth of gameplay
They absolutely NAILED the graphics. Detail is incredible.

There's more I could say about this game but I don't want to make this a TL;DR.

It is awesome, awesome, awesome. The activation thing is not a big enough of a reason to not purchase this game.

Get the demo and you'll be hooked.

I will respectfully and whole-heartedly disagree. It is more than enough reason not to buy a game, and that opinion is not mine alone. You are welcome to do with your money as you see fit, but your disagreement with DRM objections does not mean that the topic is irrelavant or even a hijack to your topic considering this wouldn't even be an issue if the company hadn't used invasive DRM to begin with. Once they made that decision, to handcuff legal customers to unreasonable DRM, while doing nothing to stop pirates except delay them for maybe a handful of days, they brought this dicussion about that policy over the game itself on themselves.

@ ALL the DRM complainers, 

Since the inception of DRM, I've owned games with all sorts of DRM ranging from Starforce and SecuRom to FADE (the DRM in Operation Flashpoint and was kick-ass DRM actually......enjoyed hearing about the pirated games FADE-ing away!   lmao).

I have not had one single issue with any form of DRM on any of my many computer systems (with a variety of hardware and O/S configs) over the MANY YEARS I've been playing DRM-protected games.

Maybe it's because each of the O/S's on my systems is PAID for, and not a pirate-stripped version?  Maybe it's because I'm an IT guy and just know how to keep everything in working order?  Maybe it's just because the DRM knows I'm a good person and never bites me in the ass?

Who knows, but I'm willing to bet that the bulk of people in this world BITCHING about DRM haven't had one single PREVENTABLE issue with DRM other than those circumstances they've created for themselves.

I read enough forums to know that people often come up with RIDICULOUS circumstances for DRM failure.  For example, what if I'm on a mission to the MOON, and the Space-Shuttle loses it's internet connection........how will I be able to activate my copy?  Bad DRM, BAD!

The point is, the people who bitch the loudest about DRM aren't the one's (usually) who actaully have a legitimate reason to do so.

Again,  in the MANY MANY years I've been installing and playing DRM-enabled games, I have NEVER EVER had even one SINGLE issue!   I ask you, coincidence?

 EDIT:  So........given my DRM experiences above.......why would I ever care if something has DRM on it?  Hasn't ever bother me.......

the Monk

*Ignores hijackers*

Looks pretty awesome, and it got some great reviews as well. I'll try to pick this up when I get some extra cash.

I build my own computers. I own my software, including the OS. I've had Starforce on my system, and removed it. I got it from a demo, i repeate, a demo. I have Securom on my system now, although it is indeed version 7, it did not come with activation limits or forced online acivitation. It's not about the DRM ruinning my system, and although I own NWN 2, and am aware of the 1.23 patch creating a verifiable problem for legal owners, as it the issues BSOD issues with that game came with a patch updating Securom, I didn't install the patch and won't until after they patch that patches' problem,which doesn't include the hotfix.

I've been playing games for many, many, many years myself and refuse to purchase games that come with acvitation limits or forced online activations unless it has a reason to have online activation, such as mmorpgs. Your attempt to classify people who take an issue with having their consumer rights stomped on by the likes of EA, Ubisoft and Amazon as pirates you can dismiss is just BS. When you come up with a better arugment, let me know.

Time will come when your software will refuse to obey you. Let's talk again after that.

It is, I have, and I do.

Nesrie,

I wasn't painting everyone a "pirate".  Please carefully re-read my post.  I was simply stating that I myself have nothing on my systems, nor do I DO anything with my systems that could be seen as such.  If anything, I was implying that most issues with software compatibility (and YES DRM is still software) can be in my opinion traced back to issues within the O/S or system configuration and therefore not a problem with the DRM itself, but rather a user-created issue!  I have never had any "emulation software" of any kind on my systems and in my experience that type of software is something most recent DRM has issues with.  That's a problem?  Not mine anyway.....

dmantione,

My oldest son is 19, when do you figure my software will begin to refuse to obey me?  When I'm too old to use it anymore anyway?   hehe

Seriously though, as I pointed out to Nesrie above......I don't have "emulation software" or any other sort of that strain of software on my machines.  I run vanilla OS installs, and don't use stupid "disable these 30 useless windows services guides".  I make sure everything is always up-to-date and as corruption-free as I can keep things.  Installing and using DRM-enabled software on my kind of system has therefore never resulted in any adverse effects.

@ Everyone,

Sure, if you insist on running "emulation software" and who knows what other malware (and YES I know I just classified "emulation software" as malware......just as many of you classify DRM as malware! ) don't be surprised if the DRM balks! 

All I'm saying is this.  On my vanilla-OS gaming machines (varous hardware/OS builds over the MANY MANY years!) with no "questionable software" (emulators, iso readers, decrypters, etc.) and ALL patches as well as leaving the OS completely functional by not turning-off this or that service etc. I haven't ever had a single issue........even with some of the most restrictive DRM out there.

My question is.......why is everyone out there content with chalking up my experience to COINCIDENCE?  Maybe people are afraid of recognizing my experiences for what they are..........afraid of using my methods.......afraid they will no longer have an issue with DRM!  

As far as Dawn of Discovery (the game) goes......... I'm loving it more each time I play it.   The visuals as already stated are fantastic.  The "immersion" feels right.  My only beef so far is that the campaign seems to be the tutorial and that is a bit of a turn-off for me.  Other than that I'm having a blast.  If you're into city-builders at all......I highly recommend this game!

the Monk

I did not have emulators in mind. But now you bring up the topic, well, there are 3 possibilities:

• You have a stack of optical media on your desk to insert when games ask for it
• You use emulators and put the optical media in their box
• You download cracks and put the optical media in their box

No he doesn't. He's stated many times already that he doesn't 'suffer' from DRM in any way, shape or form. He 'rolls' with it. It doesn't cause a problem. There are never any hiccups in his system or games because of it. It is there, but not an issue.

I can say the same thing frankly. I've never ever had a problem with DRM. It's just not that big a deal as long as you are not tweaking and modifying your OS to 'squeeze' that last bit of performance out of it or whatever reason you may have.

The game in this case is just flat out beautiful and FUN to play. If you're missing out on it merely because you would be inconvenienced by 3 activations then it sucks to be you.

I can't buy this game on Impulse as I discovered tonight as I live in the UK.

Yeah, because the hundreds of other titles I am playing, most with minimal DRM issues or not at all makes my life not worth living... right. I buy a lot of games, and guess what, it's pretty easy to avoid the ones where the publishers think they have a right to limit my purchase at their whim. I'll be buying another one soon and then another after that.. all without activation limits. Your idiotic statement just shows the self righteous behavior people like you have when it comes to disagreements. I don't agree with you. Live with it.

Well, I think it has become apparent that some of the people on this thread woke up on the wrong side of the bed today.....