I'm bankrupt, so I no longer have a credit card [ex husbands fault ] so, ID, is there a way I could do it by money order?   I'm going to juggle this week's pension about so I can subscribe, finally

Who wants to buy a kidney?  I have two of them and I only need one, but I do need money for a subscription, so if you know anybody looking for body parts on the black market...I'm your girl! (Craigslist won't let me post this).

Selling them kidneys cheap, huh?      Try this for cheap! Edited

FREE!! YEAH!! I can afford that.

wish i could contribute..WC is one fine community, IMHO.. but ive already spent my funds on WB and recetly, some comp upgrades..

https://www.stardock.com/order.txt

Which is why I did not disregard IE entirely, but it is far easier, and will result in far cleaner code to maintain, to code first for browsers that at least get the standards mostly right (there'll always be bugs) than for IE which still gets it so very wrong. Adding workarounds for IE at the end will be a far less tricky task in comparison to coding for IE first and supporting other browsers later.

Even without that my points about graceful degradation/progressive enhancement remain valid. There is also the very high likelihood that if you code to standards and hack for IE later you'll see pages with massively reduced sizes, resulting in a nice bandwidth saving (though admittedly probably not as much as some other sites, as the bulk of your bandwidth is probably downloads). See if you can get the Slashdot guys to give you a rough idea of their bandwidth use before and after they switched from their HTML 3.2 layout to the current layout.

Take a look at the page source some time if you know your HTML/CSS/JS

For a real world example if you don't know those languages: open up Wincusto in a clean Opera install. Then use site-specific preferences (right-click-->Edit Site Preferences...-->Network tab-->Identify as: Mask as Firefox) to make Opera pretend it is Firefox. Suddenly the site will work a whole lot better, not because Opera is doing anything different, or changing how it implements standards, but because the site's code is not rejecting Opera out of hand anymore. The trouble with this approach is that anyone using it then appears to Wincusto's servers to be a Firefox users – Opera's visible market-share on this site becomes artificially low as a result.

I posted that advice a day after the current site launched and included simple advice (i.e. treat Opera the same as Firefox in the JavaScript) to the authors that would be trivial to implement and improve (though not perfect) things quickly. This advice about Opera was included (although with the erroneous implication that Opera's behaviour changes with respect to how it handles the code its sent) in a post promising Opera support (which I note includes a request for Opera user to be patient, but I think I've done that for long enough) somewhere down the line but I don't recall seeing a single change designed to improve the site's performance in Opera. I then posted updated advice, which would net support equivalent to masking as Firefox, but without that copy of Opera disappearing from the server stats; I was promised this would be added to the note on Opera compatibility but it never happened so it's likely that virtually every copy of Opera bar mine used to browse this site is actually counted for stats purposes as Firefox.

If it sounds like I have an axe to grind that's probably because I do. I've waited (even offered my time to help) near on two years for any kind of promised improvement only to see nearly bugger all. Right now I won't subscribe because it seems my money will be wasted on excessive bandwidth and site code 10 years out of date. I really like Stardock as a company otherwise though, I even have an OD ultimate subscription.

Yes, I know my HTML/DHTML/CSS, even some PHP & SQL , just give them a chance to upgrade thing's

You could always switch to IE, nothing wrong with it [did I really just say that!! ], I would never change.. if it ain't broke.. don't fix it..or..something like that

Opera maket share -  0.71% Netwide  http://www.netapplications.com

 

Why is it even in the conversation ?

Because I tried to make clear in my original post that if you're doing things right you shouldn't even need to support Opera, it will just happen naturally.

Regardless net-wide browser stats are amazingly unreliable. Example: Opera market share 4.24%. See also some questions about Net Application's stats. I especially like the one where Chrome's stats were 'fixed' post-publishing with no explanation. The only stats Stardock can remotely trust (tracking unique users is still not a trivial task, and just counting simple hits punishes browsers with more aggressive caching like Opera) are their own, but as I've already pointed out Opera currently gets the best results here when it tells the server it's Firefox.

just waiting for our tax refund I D tapped out from xmas

but it was worth it lol

you mean... a whole 4.24?

I was wondering, can I buy more than one Year???

Yes you can.  Most regulars around here are subscribed for several years to come.

If you are a first subscriber it's 1 year, if you are resubscriber it's 2 years. Is that correct? And if you are resubscribing is there a discount on the subscription?