Democrats and Media Allies are Preparing for their Defeat

on Oct 23, 2006

It is telling that they have already started the excuses. The democrats dont know how to run an honest election, so they naturally assume that their opponents are as dirty as they are. It is the classic case of projecting yourself onto your opponent.

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Cikomyr

on Oct 23, 2006

Aren't you afraid that the new systems are INDEED open to fraud?

The Economist published an article talking about the flaws of the new voting machines. One of the problem of one of the chosed kind (not all of them) is that it destroys the original paper-vote, preventing any kind of manual recounting.

And you know, the GOP can also use this as an excuse if they loose. Sore looser symptom is common to both sides.

The big overall problem, USA's voting system is becoming less and less reliable by the years because of fraud, lobbying and others.

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Island Dog

on Oct 23, 2006

Every election is open to fraud. Whether it's electronic or traditional paper votes, fraud is a reality. There would be less fraud if ID was required for voting, but democrats don't want that because it will alienate their voting base, criminals and illegals.

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Cikomyr

on Oct 23, 2006

Every election is open to fraud. Whether it's electronic or traditional paper votes, fraud is a reality. There would be less fraud if ID was required for voting, but democrats don't want that because it will alienate their voting base, criminals and illegals.

That is the single most populist/dishonest categorization I have seen on this forum. That is quite a statement.

How do you back that the democrat's voting base are criminals and illegals?

And ID won't prevent fraud if it is the voting MACHINES who are open to tempering. Or if, like Florida 2000, machines misinterprete votes.

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drmiler

on Oct 23, 2006

How do you back that the democrat's voting base are criminals and illegals?

Just go back and look at the 2004 presidential elections.

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SilentPoet

on Oct 23, 2006

Just go back and look at the 2004 presidential elections.

Actually, since you, and island dog are making the claim - YOU back it up.

Every party is guilty of it at one point or another. Not once did i see a statement saying such. As far as I can see, Island Dog is being overtly biased. Shame on him.

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terpfan1980

on Oct 23, 2006

Lucas, and others - how about the fact that the Democrats are the party that has lobbied the hardest and tried the hardest to pass laws that allow felons to vote, and also they're the party that has worked the hardest to get those felons pardoned and added back onto voting rolls?

You'd have to have your head buried firmly up the rear-end of the Democratic donkey to not recognize that the Democrats have done everything possible to line up voters from any where and every where they can, regardless of what type of citizens they are.

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SilentPoet

on Oct 23, 2006

Lucas, and others - how about the fact that the Democrats are the party that has lobbied the hardest and tried the hardest to pass laws that allow felons to vote, and also they're the party that has worked the hardest to get those felons pardoned and added back onto voting rolls

I'm not saying it didnt happen, just provide the meat of your argument. Like, links, etc... That's all i am saying. I apologize, I should have clarified myself.

You'd have to have your head buried firmly up the rear-end of the Democratic donkey to not recognize that the Democrats have done everything possible to line up voters from any where and every where they can, regardless of what type of citizens they are.

Dude, just because I am liberal, DOES NOT mean that I am a democrat.

Like i said, every party is guilt of fraud,etc... I mean, it's politics.

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Island Dog

on Oct 23, 2006

And ID won't prevent fraud if it is the voting MACHINES who are open to tempering. Or if, like Florida 2000, machines misinterprete votes.

ID won't prevent fraud entirely, but it will help. There is not one reason why ID should not be required to vote. Democrats are the ones who are fighting hardest to prevent this. Why is that?

Every party is guilty of it at one point or another. Not once did i see a statement saying such. As far as I can see, Island Dog is being overtly biased. Shame on him.

Shame on me for what? I listed during the 2004 Presidential elections groups that supported the democratic party. Those groups includes communists, socialists, prostitutes, felons, and many more interesting people. And as terp said the democrats do whatever they can to get felons to vote, because criminals and poor people (ones who don't know any better) are their base. I'm not going to say republicans don't have questionable groups supporting them, but if you put them side by side, democrats will have the most radical and criminals behind them.

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SilentPoet

on Oct 23, 2006

Shame on me for what? I listed during the 2004 Presidential elections groups that supported the democratic party. Those groups includes communists, socialists, prostitutes, felons, and many more interesting people. And as terp said the democrats do whatever they can to get felons to vote, because criminals and poor people (ones who don't know any better) are their base. I'm not going to say republicans don't have questionable groups supporting them, but if you put them side by side, democrats will have the most radical and criminals behind them.

Then say so, don't lead the person with a carrot, stating that it's "just" Dems, cause that is one way I felt your piece came across. I didn't read a part that conceded that it also happens with other parties.

Some folks will think you are just "blaming," or scapegoating dems, and you might want to make it clear that, as you said, "I'm not going to say republicans don't have questionable groups supporting them."

Cause folks might figure differently. Just cover your ass, cause there are nit picky folks.

Just pointing that out, not trying to bash you.

Mea culpa on any misunderstandings?

~L

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kingbee

on Oct 26, 2006

democrats do whatever they can to get felons to vote, because criminals

so it's a sorta endless cycle in which democrats transform felons into voters while republicans transform candidates into felons?

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Dr Guy

on Oct 26, 2006

so it's a sorta endless cycle in which democrats transform felons into voters while republicans transform candidates into felons?

So that is how the democrats get republicans to change parties.

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S1Genocide

on Oct 28, 2006

Democrats Don't know how to run an honest election? May I remind you your party has had control for the last 6 years. If Democrats win its your partys fault.

GOP registers throw away Democratic Sign ups Nevada 2004

1 vote for Kerry equals 3999 Votes for Bush Ohio 2004.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_U.S._presidential_election_controversy_and_irregularities

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eieio

on Oct 28, 2006

Aren't you afraid that the new systems are INDEED open to fraud?

Umm .. no.

For the record, I'm also not worried that floride in the water is a conspiracy.

Oh yeah, and I don't own a tin foil hat to keep out the mind rays. I like to live dangerously.

Be afraid ... be very afraid ..... ok, not really, I just think it's cool to say that.

Sorry, Island Dog. I seem to have gone off there for a moment.

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drmiler

on Oct 29, 2006

Democrats Don't know how to run an honest election? May I remind you your party has had control for the last 6 years. If Democrats win its your partys fault.

GOP registers throw away Democratic Sign ups Nevada 2004

1 vote for Kerry equals 3999 Votes for Bush Ohio 2004.

Link_U.S._presidential_election_controversy_and_irregularities

Nice try. Now you want to site something that's provable? This is from the "very" same page "you" quoted:

This section does not cite its references or sources.
You can help Wikipedia by introducing appropriate citations.

In other words nothing on that particular page is verifiable. I can't talk about other states than my own (PA):

Pennsylvania

Mercer County

Lark charged that a number of voters may have been disenfranchised by the problems that shut down voting machines for all or most of the day. Some precincts didn't have enough paper ballots for people to fill out, and Lark said he suspects some people didn't bother coming back when a new supply of paper ballots arrived. He had no estimate on how many people may have missed a chance to vote, but he did have some questions Friday about the accuracy of the count coming out of the electronic machines that were working.

Lark cited statistics collected by a poll worker at the Farrell municipal building poll, which showed the voting machine recorded that 289 people cast ballots. The machine, however, recorded a total of 48 votes for U.S. Sen. John Kerry and three votes for George W. Bush in the presidential race. Lark said he finds it difficult to believe that only 51 people out of the 289 who voted actually cast a ballot in the presidential race.

This was PROVEN in court to be wrong! So that much of your quoted page is incorrect anyway!