From my humble experience, anyone's opinion is good to take for the devs, and "experienced" players don't always possess the truth. i mean, plenty of people here certainly play RTS games since years, if not decades, and don't feel the need to qualify themselves as "experienced" or "competitive" players to voice a subjective opinion, hoping to influence the dev teams. With all due respect, i unfortunately have seen more than one beta test sinking into this kind of discussions, slippery for the devs, and more than one game ending as a boring "rushers nest" or "turtlers nest", because pseudo "true gamers" wanted so.

Stardock and Oxide games certainly already have a precise vision of what they want for their game, and i hope they'll stick to it and avoid these kind of traps with their beta phase.

But we can always put some objective and reasonable arguments.

Indeed, the radar system seems to show some current limits : For example, when we select the building or unit, there is no clear "detection range", so to say a clear circle indicating the maximum detection range when we hold the Alt button. such an indication could be useful to place our units or construct the radar building efficiently.

Indeed, the radar system provides limited informations. Its "Line of Sight" is obstructed by topography, the range is not always very clear for now and the intel gathered, currently represented by the "red zones" are just indicating an enemy presence. For example, they don't provide the kind of intel we have in Forged alliance, with the allmighty radars, and they don't provide as well the kind of informations we have in starcraft 2 with the detection tower. we don't have the number of enemies, we don't have their precise position, the red zone is quite thin..etc.

Indeed, maybe the corresponding visual effects could benefit from a bit of work.

But, is it really a terrible thing that the game provides us with a limited radar building and detection for units to advantage other kind of recon actions? we can deploy Hermes as a ground scout unit, Pan as a scout air unit (it has a good detection/vision range)...is it so terrible that the player has to gather himself the intel? we can deploy scouts on the map, we can build our groups with scout units to gain a bit of detection range, we can send Pans, protected with some Furys, as tiny recon groups to gather a fast intel on farther zones...and finally we have some triggered abilities : Sensor Sweep for the PHC, we'll have the Sensor Drone for the Substrate...to conclude, this is always a very early stage, all the routines, units or abilities are not implemented yet, or are subject to change.

No offense of course, but don't you prefer, as an experienced player, gaining an advantage over your opponent with active actions and having to micro some recon maneuvers?

You know what rustles my jimmies?

People who think that those that don't agree with them are just less experienced and have yet to be "enlightened" by that experience.  Whatever that means.

We all enjoy games differently, and the devs are looking for all of our feedback equally (more or less).  Give feedback, don't throw vague insults.

i didn't think he threw a vague insult ..first comment was about having more Intel.... whats so wrong with that? and i dont think engineer is putting down ideas of people who are not rts experienced players.. there is  casual players who knows about strategy..then players who go the extra mile..play mostly rts so they see how different games and flaws...and the devs have already stated they want input from rts veterans.. their words not the engineers or anyone else.. so when someone comes a long offering that type of input...and it gets shut down by saying go play this...well i personally don't think its right but oh well.

For me a compromise would be nice. A while back ASADDF did a nice mock up of a full screen mini-map where T3 were represented by a large dot, T2 medium and T1 small. If this method were used in the radar I think it would work well. The player would have a rough idea what is coming which aids in his strategic thought processes but the system also retains the value of sending a Pan etc. if they player wants to. It lets the player decide how micro they want to go without too much punishment or bonus either way.

Later a unit could even be added to add the fogginess back with-in a radius around it, like a half way step between full radar coverage and full radar block. 

This update is great, thank you for your beatiful game  

A well positioned plasma storm or well targeted incursion should be able to make a huge difference.  The only issue presently is how hard it is to prevent it.

In the beta there will be a new building called the Orbital nullifier. IT prevents any opponent form using any global ability within that area.

I never have issues keeping an eye on what my opponents are doing. I build Pans and I use scans.

The sensor towers are there to tell you where there are concentrations of enemies.  They work as designed and we really like how they're working.

In lieu of an Observer mode, Frogboy, it would be awesome to have some of the dev team (or, especially, you) make a start-to-finish gameplay with play-by-play voiceover or something of the ilk!

Maybe it is less important for the scouting or defensive abilities, but the offensive ones (storm, incursion...), when ordered on a zone, could let a visual "aoe target" on the ground and trigger a tiny countdown, something between 1 and 2 seconds to allow the opponent a quick emergency reaction before the ability gets active? these kind of alerts or countdowns, specific for each ability, could come along with an audio alert, and maybe a tilting icon on the mini map?

Just a suggestion of course.

I'm Noob in this game thought I'dd wait until I'dd done same playing before any comment. I'm an RTS player going back to 7th Legion , Dark reign and Warzone2100 days . I'm usually a Campaign and Skirmish type of player but willing to play PvP if it helps.

Until the new 1.07 hadn't caught another player to play against and then that game locked up on both of us. I didn't have time for another match right then. The only non tech feedback I can give is the crash occuried roughly when we engaged each other with small Army of less than 50 on each side.

All vs AI games ran smoothly up until 1.07 and after 1.07 for me at least. I always play in DX12.

I've noticed that sometimes after grouping up an Army and engaging the enemy the indivduals in that army start running away from the enemy instead of kicking their butt then I  degroup , regroup and focus attack again . Do I have a deserter problem lol and anyone else have this?

some questions (sorry if I've missed the answers elsewhere) :

• Where is AoS hiding its crash log ?Its not in %HomePath%\Documents\My Games\Ashes of the Singularity nor %systemroot%\logs !
• Is there a debug parameter for the exe whilst using both DX11 and 12?
• In PvP how do I know if we are both playing in DX12 and will this have any effect on the game play or cause issues?
• Is there an overlay for DX12 that works so I can see FPS, HD throughput , temp etc etc , ideally one that doesn't break my bank from a 3rd party provider. Steam , AMD Gaming Evolved overlays fail for me whilst playing . Even the recording ingame of both of those won't load up. I get thats 3rd party stuff but can someone tell me what is working ingame in DX12 so I can maybe be a bit more helpful in feedback etc. I'm using Action! trial version atm for recording.
• Can I place the game on other PCs at home for testing /LAN etc within the games license ? I cant afford to buy again. Even though I get a quality RTS PvE atm I still feel I'm paying to voluntary Beta test.

The game already is big (maps and army sizes) and beautiful anything else is a bonus

Running W10 x64 Pro, MSI Z97S Sli Plus MB, i5-4690K @3.5 Ghz (unclocked) CPU ,One R7 260X 2Gb AMD Vid , 16Gb DDR3 Mem and the Game is now in steam folder on my SSD primary OS drive rather than a folder on a bigger standard Sata III HD.

I am glad to hear about terrain texture improvements as that was one area that was slightly bland. I like the progress being made on this game!

Thanks guys.  

A few answers:

Re more debug info.  We're working on it.  The challenge is making sure we don't impact game perf with too much log info.  But we definitely want to provide more. 

Re gameplay in general.  Glad you guys like the progress.  0.70 is our last major alpha milestone.  The first beta, scheduled for January is going to be pretty huge in terms of, well, everything.

I bought this game recently, on the Steam Sale. Was so looking forward to playing it, was going to bring back many happy memories from playing Supreme Commander. Downloaded and installed, fired her up to sit back and conquer and.........................................................it was just so chugging along, so flipping slow. Feeling devastated, depressed and the weight of the world upon my puny shoulders, I went out and bought a new gaming rig. So thank you very much guys, it was the perfect excuse for me to go out and indulge a little bit more.