Published on March 15, 2010 By Island Dog In Politics

Isn’t it funny for 8 years we heard the left scream how Bush “shredded” the Constitution, and they acted like they really cared?  Yeah.

A very dangerous act is being attempted by the Left to secure their rule over the American people and transform the legislative process from a Constitutional Republic to a government by fiat. Today on Fox News Sunday, Democratic leader Rep. Chris Van Hollen admitted Democratsintend to use the unconstitutional “Slaughter Rule” as a solution to ram nationalized health care through Congress without majority vote and in defiance to the will of the American people.

The Slaughter rule would declare that the House of Representatives “deems” the Senate health care bill “passed” by the House. House members would have to vote on whether to accept the rule, but would then be able to claim they only voted for a rule, not for the bill itself. In other words, Democrats will avoid a direct vote on the health care bill while allowing it to become law! They will take over one-sixth of the US economy without voting on it in direct violation to the legislative process defined by the U.S Constitution. Article I, Section VII, Clause II specifically states,”

At last count I was reading this morning, democrats don’t have the votes they really need to pass this 2300+ page bill.  The White House and democrats have bribed as many people as they can, to the point of it possibly being illegal, so what’s the next step?  Simple, pass it regardless.

What has happened to our great country?


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on Mar 16, 2010

Cikomir this isn't a joke. The Democrats are turning our country into a banana Republic overnight and its stirring up a lot of passions.

And I think you are overreacting, and seeing a caricaturised version of reality. the "Democrats" are not a unified monolithic socialist entity like you make it seem. Nor are they anti-americans, nor do they act with the idea to "Destroy america" in their mind.

If anything, it should be revealing that this is what many democrats thought of the republicans during Bush's stay. Has the country been destroy because of it? Nah. They were simply seeing a caricaturised version of the GoP.

Your country will keep being your country, and will evolve on its own naturally, as most countries do. If it happens that democrats become the major demographic weight, prepare to live in a more socialised country. If the opposite happens, then you will live in what you seem to be a better country. But whatever direction your country currently is, it is a long-term trend that won't change because a few people are talking about a revolution.

If I may give you a better insight on the perspective I am trying to give you, people have been predicting the USA's doom going as far back as a century ago. During Nixxon's era, people were saying that "We are all doomed". It's in the USA's nature to  have self-doubt and thinking that it is weak while it is actually extremely strong. You are a young but powerful culture after all.

on Mar 16, 2010

If you look at the current state of the economy, and with news today that the U.S. AAA credit rating might be pulled, and that Social Security is starting to cash-in IOU's, I wouldn't be that confident.

on Mar 16, 2010

If you look at the current state of the economy, and with news today that the U.S. AAA credit rating might be pulled, and that Social Security is starting to cash-in IOU's, I wouldn't be that confident.

You ARE going through rough times. I won't deny that (hell no!)

But you are far from the pit of despair. The U.K. also are close of loosing that rating. Yet you are far from being Greece, eh? Things are "worse", not "worst". The USA have an incredible economical potential because of your geographic features, military might and geopolitical necessities.

Yet, not forget that they are talking about downgrading the rating, they haven't done so yet. It's just a sign that you current finances are more fragile than they used to be. Like a man with a good job who badly managed it's finance, you still got a good job to back your debt.

I ain't saying that it won't be difficult to get back to top-shape, however. Just that you aren't close of loosing your world supremacy.

on Mar 16, 2010

Let's get McCarthy out of the grave!!!

Bet you didn't know the level of communists in the FDR government? The reason for the "Red Scare", and McCarthy was the fact that these avowed communists (which is one small step above a socialist IMO) were being exposed at an alarming rate. While they may be no "motherland" to divulge secrets and information to, their seems no shortage of those that believe somehow a socialist utopia will work here where it has failed elsewhere.

the "Democrats" are not a unified monolithic socialist entity like you make it seem. Nor are they anti-americans, nor do they act with the idea to "Destroy america" in their mind.

Nobody is suggesting that is the entire make up of the Democrats, it just is a convenient hiding place as some of the agendas go hand in hand. Some Democrats are oblivious to what is occurring to their party. You joke about over-reacting.

on Mar 16, 2010

Bet you didn't know the level of communists in the FDR government? The reason for the "Red Scare", and McCarthy was the fact that these avowed communists (which is one small step above a socialist IMO) were being exposed at an alarming rate.

Aye. But the core conflict was against Russia, not against the communists. The whole "ideological" aspect of that conflict was simply used to bolster morale against them, but in the end, it was simply a Slav Dictatorship with a lot of industrial base that menaced to form an hegemony in Eurasia.

American Communists were not ready to divulge State Secrets to the Russians. The "American" part of "American Communist" is the strongest elements. I am sure many American Communists don't feel much love for Russia or China, so they are still loyal to America as a whole.

In the end, it wouldn't have put your national security that much at risk. We are getting back to the basic argument that people in power will do everything in their capacity to preserve that power. Meaning that a freaking communist in high office of the USA won't back down to China just because of ideological economical similarities. He has more to win by making sure his high office is protected and that the power he can project because of it is left intact.

on Mar 16, 2010

American Communists were not ready to divulge State Secrets to the Russians.

Do you know how the Russians got the atomic bomb in 1948? And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

American communists have always treated Soviet and Chinese communists differently. After WWII Mao split with Stalin and trust fell by the wayside, not many opportunities for US-China commie love to grow, especially from a logistics point of view. A little different today, since their are many more American Chinese in prominent positions (Los Alamos comes to mind).

on Mar 17, 2010

Some additional reading straight from the source (my bolding and underlining):

"The Communist Party stands for the interests of the American working class and the American people. It stands for our interests in both the present and the future. Solidarity with workers of other countries is also part of our work. We work in coalition with the labor movement, the peace movement, the student movement, organizations fighting for equality and social justice, the environmental movement, immigrants rights groups and the health care for all campaign.

But to win a better life for working families, we believe that we must go further. We believe that the American people can replace capitalism with a system that puts people before profit - socialism.

We are rooted in our country's revolutionary history and its struggles for democracy. We call for "Bill of Rights" socialism, guaranteeing full individual freedoms.

Until we win enough support to change the system, communists call for radical reforms under capitalism. We call for nationalization of the banks, railroads, and industries like steel and auto. Everyone who wants to work should be guaranteed a job or get unemployment payments until she/he can find a job. We say put the unemployed to work at union wages on massive public works programs to rebuild our cities, provide affordable housing for the homeless, build mass transit, and clean up the environment!

Our outlook is based on the social science of Marxism-Leninism. We study history, politics and economics in order to change the world."

Does any of this seem to have a parallel to what is occurring at the pleasure of the White house and Congressional majority? It does to me. Sure it's easy to dismiss, McCarthyism, a few nuts, but who is doing the dismissing? The left, that is nationalizing industry, health care and environmental issues. Oh here's the source for the above blurb if you care to read more, Communist Party of the USA

on Mar 17, 2010

Cikomyr

And I think you are overreacting, and seeing a caricaturised version of reality. the "Democrats" are not a unified monolithic socialist entity like you make it seem. Nor are they anti-americans, nor do they act with the idea to "Destroy america" in their mind.

I do not have the time now to respond in depth.  But will soon.  You are correct.  And you are not.  Is that definitive enough?  Will try to get back to it tonight or tomorrow.

on Mar 17, 2010

I ain't saying that it won't be difficult to get back to top-shape, however. Just that you aren't close of loosing your world supremacy.

Not sure what "supremacy" we have left.  We have a President who is more inclined to stop Israel from building houses than stopping Iran from getting nukes.  The dollar is worth nothing, and is only getting worse.  Unemployment in reality is near 20%.  

Are we going to fold completely, of course not, but the United States is looking at a crisis that it has never seen before.

 

on Mar 17, 2010

Do you know how the Russians got the atomic bomb in 1948?

Research? Stealing the works of the german's labs? Using german scientists in their own labs?

The dollar is worth nothing, and is only getting worse

I wouldn't call that "nothing". It is weaker than has been. You are just using hyperboles to prove your nonpoint.

The Euro actually lost a lot of value compared to the USD in the past 2 yeasrs. So did the GBP. The CAD and AUD have won compared to the USD, but that's because of the commodity boom.

You unemployment rate is nothing to scream "end of the world" yet. It's little over 10%, and you call that "critic"? Germany's has been as high as 11.6% back in 2006, and look where they are now. It's nothing that isn't solvable on the medium term.

We have a President who is more inclined to stop Israel from building houses than stopping Iran from getting nukes

You president is doing it's darn best to stop Iran from getting those nukes. Problem is, there isn't a lot of option on the table that would actually work, and the little that would, well.. let's say that it needs Russia cooperation, and they aren't close.

Please read the "Thinking the Unthinkable" thread, Starfor has a very interesting piece about it. Nobody wants a shooting war there, but you cannot succeed to have sanctions.

on Mar 17, 2010

You president is doing it's darn best to stop Iran from getting those nukes

Hahah...that was funny.  Obama is weak, and could care less about Iran getting nukes.

 

You unemployment rate is nothing to scream "end of the world" yet.

I'm not screaming end of the world, you are.  Real-world unemployment is near 20%, and it has a big effect on the economy. 

 

on Mar 17, 2010

Hahah...that was funny. Obama is weak, and could care less about Iran getting nukes.

How do you figure? How can you claim that? Is there anything Obama has done that lets you believe that he doesn't care about the state of nuclear proliferation in the Gulf region?

What kind of action would convince you that he actually is proactive about it? A military strike?

on Mar 17, 2010

Do you know how the Russians got the atomic bomb in 1948?

Research? Stealing the works of the german's labs? Using german scientists in their own labs?

You now it is difficult to teach someone that is unwilling to learn. Any one with reasoning skills could figure out that with the sheer cost and magnitude of the Manhattan Project, the Russians had received key assistance from sources other than the few captured German scientists they had. But I'll do your research for you, in case you want to respond in an informed manner:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/venona/family.html PBS is that unbiased enough?

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/terrorists_spies/spies/fuchs/1.html A longer read.

http://www.technologyreview.com/communications/13031/?a=f

Here is some modern stuff:

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/terrorists_spies/spies/walker/1.html Remember this one?

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2008-01-26-592200836_x.htm

 http://www.aim.org/special-report/russian-spies-targeted-and-used-clinton-official/

http://www.nytimes.com/1998/06/04/world/bonn-sniffs-for-russian-moles-worrying-cia.html?pagewanted=1

Here's a little info on your "German Scientist's helped" theory:

"In the United States in the 1950s, Russians were portrayed as "retarded folk who depended mainly on a few captured German scientists for their achieve­ments, if any." Russians, for their part, vehemently deny all claims of the German origins of the Soviet bomb and wield in their defense the statement of Max Steenbeck (a German theorist who pioneered supercritical centri­fuges for uranium enrichment in the USSR)  that "all talk that Germans have designed the bomb for the Sovi­ets is nonsense."

Sounds like for a young fellow, you have a 1950's  attitude on the subject. The whole document is here complete with citations http://cns.miis.edu/npr/pdfs/72pavel.pdf 

on Mar 17, 2010

You now it is difficult to teach someone that is unwilling to learn.

don't use innuendos if you wish me to learn something!

*checks*

Oh my, I guess the KGB was quite effective   Have they ever found the leak(s)?

on Mar 17, 2010

Yes, I believe we put them on trial.  I can't remember their names but it was a couple.

The reason Russia isn't going to come to the table is because it has nothing to gain by coming to the table.  Iran isn't saying anything negative about Russia.  Russia using that situation to strengthen itself just like the pirates in the Gulf of Arden.  CAN SOMEONE TELL ME WHEN A RUSSIA VESSEL GOT HIJACKED??????  Please!  I want to say that I'm misinformed.  I think even a Chinese vessel got Hijacked but I may be wrong.

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