I'd have done that too, except you seem to already know most of the problem.

No it isn't, once again, a pirate copy will never = lost sale. Out of all the games I pirated I never intended to buy them. Same with everyone else that I know. I'm not stealing anything, I am however breaking copyright laws.

Fail.

So, basically, your position is: "You either agree with me, or you're just being mean"?

Or are you just allegic to any kind of discussion of your arguments in general?

While you're trying to destroy it, cowardly enough to hide behind a proxy to download illegal copies of products. Imperfect as the world may seem, honesty is more about how you behave than think.

Let this be my final comment for you specifically;

Copyright isn't a law to break... it's an expanded  (both in scope and in value) principle of Intellectual property enforced by many different courts of Justice worldwide and interpreted in such a way that owners of patented *PRODUCTS* can either profit from their unique innovations or prevent anyone from plagiarizing it. Copyrights aren't free - they are bought.

These inventors sell it to manufacturers who THEN make supplemental profits or recuperate what it cost to produce the invention(s) in order to distribute it for consumers to buy.

Now Piracy of games; Software is engineered and fabricated from parts & MANY copyrights; example -- C++ is a code (invented) that allows people to create innovation & as a result, products to sell. Since they purchased a license to use the programming language.

Not only are you stealing from the corporation (or living breathing people, btw) who coded the softwares but also from the industrial infrastructure of hardwares without which such Copyrights wouldn't even exist.

I give up on anybody else who can't understand such rational thoughts.

Sure it does. The world does not revolve around you and your friends.

So the question is: What can we do to convince you to buy the game?

You can do both simultaneously. They are not mutually exclusive concepts.

Sure it is. Title 17 of the United States Code. That, plus the principle stuff. And perhaps some international stuff, and I'm sure other countries have laws as well.

. . . and again, all that stuff isn't mutually exclusive; it can all exist simultaneously.

Damn guys... This thread has turned into an epic train wreck. 

Once again, a pirated copy is not a lost sale. Some might be, but most are not. Any game I pirate, I never intended to buy. How it is for most pirates.

"What can we do to convince you to buy the game?" Easy, don't make a sucky game. Simple as that. I buy more games then most people buy or download in a few years probably. This year alone I've already bought FEAR 2, DoW 2, Empire:Total War, SoSE and Entrancement, new CoH expack, All the fallout 3 DLC so far, and a few others. And that's just this year so far.

And no it's impossible to steal something by torrents. I'm getting a COPY of that data that I do not have rights to use because of copyright laws. I am not stealing anything.

It's always an epic train wreck when reality and viewpoints conflict.

no from the long history of piracy threads where i tried to actually have a discussion. I've grown tired of being called everything but a retard. No one allows anyone with an opinion other than piracy/pirates are the scum of the earth and people shouldn't be evil and steal things...

It's too bad reality doesn't work like that, none of these people discuss anything they just shove their morallity down your throat and if you disagree you are a criminal. seriously piracy topics on these forms are just ruled by rabid packs of do gooders who more than likely pirate and hide behind a facade of outrage.

exactly the kind of respones I've come to expect directed to anyone with a dissenting opinion.

lol mkay yeah im destroying the world with my downloads... not poverty, disease, or famine.  What priacy can destroy is profits and innovation.  But please be more myopic in your claims it is hilarious.

But no you are all just armchair idealists talking about how the perfect world would be...
While you're trying to destroy it, cowardly enough to hide behind a proxy to download illegal copies of products. Imperfect as the world may seem, honesty is more about how you behave than think.

You forgot to add and live happily after.  If we all are idealists, we're not gonna change anything.  Companies should adapt to the times. The game industry is just a click behind the music industry is stubborness to change a business model that was great when it was conceived in the 1960s but it's not anymore. Adapt, or dissapear.

Just curious, if I hack into Microsoft's network and get a copy of the Windows 7 source code, I'm not stealing right? It's just a copy of something that we cannot touch (software) and that needs silly laws about things that cannot be touched but that do generate revenue (and in case of games, entertaiment). So they could fine and/or jail me for other reasons but not for stealing? Because it feels the same to me as to go the a store and take a box of a program and leave without paying (the fact that there is a box and a manual is irrelevant as what you truly pay for is the software's license).

Only saying that altough copyright laws need tweaking, intelectual property theft is theft. Even if you buy all the games you pirate. If you kill in self-defense, you are still a killer. Only that circumstances are favorable to you but that doesn't change the fact that you took a life. And I'm exagerating because, obviously, no one pirates a game in self-defense. And reasons like "I don't have the money" are answered easily like "Then don't play videogame. There are plenty forms of entertaiment, many of them free.". Good education and self-discipline make miracles (altough capitalism is based in bending our self-discipline to make us fall in consumption ....).

And I'm not a saint as I still have many to atone for but I try. It's funny to see my father angry whenever I buy a new game or DVD (movie or tv show) because he thinks that I should not pay for those things and pirate them.

Rant off.

So, advocating criminal acts gets you an overwhelmingly negative response? Well fancy that.

Also, have you considered that just maybe people call pirates selfish little twats with an entitlement complex because that's true? Just a thought.

you add nothing to the discussion again just stroking your ego.

I pirate, and I buy... not always in that order... live with it i dont have issues with people calling me a theif because frankly i dont give 2 shits about peoples opinions of me. But i do however like to discuss the balance that could be reached in PC piracy because i can admitt it is wrong and something needs to be done.

Stardocks approach of releasing a game and making content updates only availible through impulse is a great way to get people to purchase their product. and the fact they didnt make a pile of shit game.  But all you self rightous pricks do is stroke to your own replys ego boosting yourself and belittle anyone that doesn't claim to be a saint.

I've seen many of these piracy threads over the years and they all go exactly the same way.

The reality is you cannot have any kind of rational discussion with people who have either no conscience, or are unable to accept responsibility for their actions. So I choose not to take part.

For me, I would be happy to see server side authentication. It would have no impact on me, but would put an end to these debates. I can't see a downside at all.