Umm... seriously, I don't give a shit what you do, download all the warez you want dude, but don't judge me because I've gotten over that stage, okidoki?   also, I didn't mean to sound all judgemental on you..sorry 'bout that.. just some folks it takes a while for them to save up for something, while other's are getting  TEH CRACK

i tihnk software piracy is more of an moral issue than a legal issue.  at least that is how people alywas presents it to be.  The honest truth is, everyone turns a blind eye towards it.  The law is being ineffective in dealing with it, sooo the only resorts society can use to mitigate the problem is telling people that it is wrong morally.  But people will do it on a continue basis if they can get away wiith it.  

LOL ...park out side Sony HQ and start selling Pirated Music of theirs on CD out of the back of a van, and see how Legal it is. Whether you "choose" to feel it is immoral or not, is moot to them.

Copyright infringement is theft, whether you choose to believe it or not. People get paid to make materials, be it Digital media, or hard copy, when you choose to take that which you have not paid for .. you take the very $$ they use to feed their families. less sales = less $$.

While you may percieve the Big corporations as faceless entities, the reality is when you steal from them, it's not the Big wigs that get hit the hardest, it's the average joe working in the mail room who got laid off as sales declined * too bad he has 3 kids to feed huh?*. Or the customers who have to Pay increasing prices to pay for all the antipiracy crap they imbed in to stuff like music. Not to mention not being able to listen to your music on your PC because it has a burner attached etc..

No one is really sticking it to the "man" when they pirate, they are really just sticking it to the rest of us.

Sorry If I deviated from the threads topic. But i cant understand peoples thinking of "if I rationalize it out, it's not wrong to do" that and trying to split hairs to justify ones actions.

You will find in a community such as this where our hobby and livelihoods are based around copyrights and the protection there of, little tolerance for Piracy/copyright infringement justification.

Quite easily saying it is one thing... being true/correct is another...

The same can be said for a serial killer.  If the law [police] are ineffective then  'they can get away with it'.

No matter what spin is put on that, though....'most' would likely agree it's just 'not on' to be a serial killer.

Ah...the good old ELEVENTH COMMANDMENT....."Thou shalt not get found out'.....

Re the actual thread topic tho.....so far I kinda like win 7 ....it even behaves in VMware [runs faster than the host -XP].

I most likely will [steal] Frogboy's machine so I can run it with 'headroom'...and 200 USD would be fair .....I paid 180 AUD [OEM] for my XP Pro...

You rock Jafo, TEH man

That is quite ridiculous.  Why should a corporation, which provides jobs, be forced to pay a substantial increase?

Let me also just make a note that piracy is not tolerated at all.  If you want to advocate stealing software, and yes it is stealing, I suggest not being so open about it here. 

Amen

I think I paid $30-35 for MSDOS 3.0 when it came out.......seems like a good price for software that doesn't need consant patching to run

You missed the point. Depending on the circumstances, I could be entirely correct. But what I argued wasn't the right or wrong of piracy, but the issues of the statement that "I STOLE THIS LEGALLY", wheter in a sarcastic sense or not.

Since this isn't the thread for it, I'm not going to take the time to pick your arguments apart. After all, I have yet to make any argument for or against piracy whatsoever. I am, however, opposed to nonsensical arguments, wheter they are made on my part of the fence or the oppositions.

Island Dog

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Let me also just make a note that piracy is not tolerated at all.  If you want to advocate stealing software, and yes it is stealing, I suggest not being so open about it here.

For example, in Sweden, it is not illegal to download or own copyrighted software. It is, however, illegal to share it. It is the act of sharing itself that is illegal. The morality of the action is up to philosophers, in turn.

Bullshit mate, warez/wares is warez no matter WHAT Country you're stealing it from.

...... what next? you going into a Stardock topic, and asking them for the crack for one of their products

What Island Dog was saying was...to put it in plain English exempt from mis-interpretation....

Stardock [the owner of this site and associated software] has a Zero Tolerance for Warez Use.  The determination of what may or may not constitute 'warez use' is solely the responsibility of the site owners and their agents, so, the decision whether copyright infringement or warez use is to be declared 'theft' and acted upon is theirs alone as much as it pertains to Wincustomize.com site users and/or any other of Stardock's sites.

Philosophical discussion of warez is fine.  Promotion of warez-use isn't....

Bravo/ to all the folks who felt that it was wrong. I don't want my name on a thread where theft is advocated, and theft it is. Period. Can the sophistry.

W7: Mumblefutz and Fuzzy make good, in fact very good points about W7. I get the feeling that all Vista was in fact was a trial/iron the bugs out version of 7. And we paid for it even if it was on the machine you purchased...it's included in the price.

If it could be proven that this is true, then I think I'd go with "You're entitleed to it free", since we bought it and participated in the improvement of it (all the problems posted anywhere are harvested...along with crashes, erc. that are sent to MS).

IMHO