Obama - Another Environmental Wacko Socialist

Published on May 19, 2008 By Island Dog In Politics

Pitching his message to Oregon's environmentally-conscious voters, Obama called on the United States to "lead by example" on global warming, and develop new technologies at home which could be exported to developing countries.

"We can't drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times ... and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK," Obama said.

Obama is an idiot. So now he will tell us how to set our thermostats and what cars to drive, just to appease other countries? He is clearly the best choice for anyone who wants a complete nanny state, and who cares what "others" think about you.

He really makes me want to put my A/C on 70, and go out and buy the biggest SUV I can.

Comments (Page 6)

Dr Guy

on May 28, 2008

not even a legitimate theory just an idea,

I think that is a good way to describe it. Not an hypothesis, theory, or fact. Just an idea.

kwm1800

on May 28, 2008

I never said that we have to live in darkness and reject lights of technology we made.And again, can you please at least try to pretend to read the article first I mentioned?No, what you're seeing is the eyeroll of someone who's tired of the "never quite good enough" attitude of the "greener than thou" club. And my response was a logical extension of the premise. Incandescents = bad, CFL's = bad, fire = VERY BAD, you're not leaving us with a lot of options to satisfy your "green" requirements, and that's basically my point.As I mentioned, I drive an SUV. But I've also done my research, and it is the most fuel efficient vehicle I can afford to transport my family. Same with CFL's. I realize every form of lighting will have its tradeoffs, the goal is not zero environmental impact, the goal should be minimal environmental impact. And not because "the sky is falling", but because we should be responsible stewards of our environment whether or not the sky is, indeed, falling.I believe you, and others, are sincerely trying to do what you consider to be good in spreading your gospel. But by criticizing every move that people make you are essentially driving people AWAY from being environmentally responsible rather than driving them to it.And I'd be interested to know how "green" your computer is.

Don't make me act like a broken record machine.

can you please at least try to pretend to read the article first I mentioned?

Please don't be stupid and act like an adult.

kwm1800

on May 28, 2008

Wow, you really are a stupid shit aren't you? You're trying to compare the laws and theories of physics with this bullshit idea of man-made global warming? Your arguments get dumber and dumber all the time.You can try to toss out as many stupid insults and bullshit comparisons as you like but the idea, not even a legitimate theory just an idea, of man-made global warming doesn't even qualify as a scientific theory.If you truly understood the concepts of physics you'd understand just how solar activity not only affects the planet's temperatures but also how the very predictable solar activity has accurately been used to (78%) predict the warming and cooling trends of the past several decades. Dr. Arthur Robinson's work might make an interesting read for you assuming you have the education to understand it.My education is in science, mathematics, and engineering, how about yours? Based upon what you've had to present so far I'd say, what?, a G.E.D?Why do I waste time time on these morons?

Of course, you can make such idiotic/ignorant post because you -as already shown again and again- knows nothing about science.

I'd recommend you to educate yourself again. Apply nearby any community colleges, and retake some easy science courses. You really need to regain some basic knowledge. You are just completely blind right now.

My education is ME btw.

Plus : you know what? I would love the global warming in my financial perspective. Regarding on my field, there are already(yes) a lot of projects are going on due to climate changes. If you happily ignore the counter-actions and continue to make more carbon dioxide, the temperature will rise as high as more than 8 degrees, and there would be even more projects for me and other engineers = more money for me.
But you will be poorer because the government will be forced to raise tax to fund these projects. Why do you want to make yourself poorer and make 'moron' like me richer?

kwm1800

on May 28, 2008

the problem. We have already seen one revision of the temperature that declared the "warmest" years on record (revised to 1934). And that is just in the last 100 years. Again, we look at your chart and while of course the swings look dramatic, it is only dramatic when you ignore the scale. Then they are insignificant. And the final truth is the chart is just a guess for temperatures before 1900 because man had no accurate way (and definitely no way to measure fractions of degrees) prior to that.There is a reason that real scientists say "....on record" since the vast majority (with the exception of the last second of earth time) is not on record. And as Mason pointed out, the increase (slight as it is) in temperatures in the latter part of the 20th century correlates very well with the increase in sunspot activity.But lets assume for a moment in time, that we can dismiss all these concerns about the data. A mighty assumption that will usually lead us down the wrong path, but for the sake of argument, we will assume it now.Your next task is to prove that it is caused by man. And his actions. And that no one can do, period.There is a reason that there is a Heisenberg Uncertainty principal - and the cause of that is you cannot isolate your observations with your causes, because when you eliminate all other factors to focus on your suspected root cause, you change the dynamics of the system - and therefore negate the test. While Heisenberg was talking about the behavior of electrons, his principal applies to all systems where man is still GUESSING at dynamics. Taken as a whole, the hypothesis that man is burning up the world cannot be tested so far, and the data does not support the conclusion as the effect of man is dwarfed by the effect of nature and the sun.

Your arguments seem the most valid one I've ever seen.

I agree that the record is not record at all. As seen on the graph, it is 'reconstructed' from secondary resoruce, and there should be many errors. But again, this is 'best' estimate we can use. There is certainly no 'perfect' evidence we can use in science, but 'best.' It is just a nature of science.

I guess people are just plain personal on understanding the chart, so I won't argue with this further more.

But the there is one really big problem to regard the global warming as hoax. The problem is that according to all of our climate models, carbon dioxide indeed affects the climate, and we definitly know that we are making much more carbon dioxide enough to disrupt the natural carbon dioxide cycle.

Now, if we really assume that there is no global warming, then it is same as we are ignoring the effects of extra carbon dioxide affecting on climate, which is not true at all. We just cannot make any valid assumption on climate without talking about carbon dioxide. The carbon dioxide is increasing, the model shows that the climate will change if carbon dioxide increases in the atmosphere.

Now Heisenberg Uncertainty principal thingy. To be honest, I think merely measuring temperature cannot alter the temperature itself. This theory usually only works in really small worlds, where the actions for measuring is just too powerful to keep the original state of being measured. We are dealing a really huge object called the earth, and I think we can ignore the Uncertainty principal.

Gideon MacLeish

on May 28, 2008

Please don't be stupid and act like an adult.

Aaaahh, the old "you disagree with me, you must be a MORON!" argument.

FYI, I DID read the article, the FIRST TIME. And while I found interesting information, the FACT remains that there IS NO WAY we can have zero impact short of killing ourselves. And even then, our decomposing bodies will produce methane, or, if we choose to be cremated, will create more greenhouse gasses. The fact is, as I said before, your arguments go to such a ridiculous extreme that even reasonable people tire of trying to placate you and figure "why bother?" End result? A serious issue is overlooked because the environmental crowd went too far.

Now, if you can continue this discussion without alluding to your perception of my intelligence, I would be more than happy to discuss the topic. But if the main thrust of your attack is to question the intellectual capabilities of your opponent, then I suggest you retire to the DU, where ad hominem attacks are more widely accepted.

Gideon MacLeish

on May 28, 2008

My education is ME btw.

It shows. Your grammar is appalling (re-read the first sentence in your response on post #78 and tell me the problem with it).

You again refer to our alleged assertions that global warming is a hoax in post #79. I haven't seen that assertion made by anyone who is seriously discussing this issue. The assertion is that MAN MADE global warming is a hoax. There's a substantial difference between the two. We don't question the measurable fact that there has been a warming trend over recent years. Our contention is with the conclusion that mankind is the cause. And we have compelling reasons for believing as we do.

While you may consider yourself the world's foremost teacher, you might want to take a few college courses in science before you start trying to play scientist. Based on your comments, you are more than capable, and added to that you have an interest. With the combination of the two, you might be able to make some rather interesting contributions to the field if you pursued a degree.

Scotteh

on Jun 06, 2008

Island Dog

comment 2

SUV's and my thermostat are not "destroying" the planet.

I'm disgusted i share a gene pool with you to be honest.

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